• Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    This is fundamentally no different than making fun of someone for obvious plastic surgery. Choices were made.

    This guy is clearly choosing to look like this.

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      2 months ago

      So… if someone can’t help how they look then you shouldn’t shame or mock them but if you choose to look a particular way then get fucked? That is a truly fucked up moral to try and proclaim. That it is totally acceptable to mock someone for their looks as long as they’ve chosen to look that way.

      What a shitty, fucked up and miserable little world you must live in. Why don’t you show us what you look like? I’m curious what decisions you’ve made. I mean… fair is fair. Right?

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        2 months ago

        Yep.

        It’s funny how you’re acting superior but have no problem judging the world I must live in as being shitty.

        The difference between you and I is that I don’t lie to myself. It’s a subtle difference but actually leads to living in a world that is less shitty.

        Maybe one day you can join me but you’ll need to let go of that gate your keeping yourself behind.

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              2 months ago

              Nope. It’s the paradox of tolerance you’re upset about.

              Fallacies can be either illegitimate arguments or irrelevant points, and are often identified because they lack evidence that supports their claim. You mocking someone about thier appearance is, yup, CHILDISH.

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                2 months ago

                It’s really weird how much emotion is in all of these responses but it’s really silly when you then claim I am being emotional.

                I’ve made no claims to my moral superiority but you and other have. That is a paradox.

                We disagree on something. Calling me childish is a bully tactic.

                I am true to myself and that offends people in weird silly ways. It results in them applying their imagined prejudices to me.

                These are all logical fallacies and if there is one thing I’ve learned over the year is that those who deploy them are not worth arguing with and this is such an occurrence.

                I knew it would lead here because the internet is predictable because people are predictable.

                For example you will now ignore me or responses with an emotional response, dismisal of my position and list of logical facllicies you feel I am using because you aren’t interesting in a discussion.

                You need me to be a bad person

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                  2 months ago

                  You’re literally just defending why it’s ok for you to be a bad person.

                  All I did was call out people for being bad people. You getting offended and defending why making fun of people is ok is childish. You then getting offended about being called about just proves how immature you are.

                  Be better

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                    2 months ago

                    The issue here is still you thinking I’m offended. I’m not. You continue to insist I am and insist you know my motivations.

                    You and I disagree I what a bad person is. I can accept that. Why can’t you?

                    I posted this knowing it would get called out. Literally just said that. It appears you’ve having trouble understanding what I am saying.

                    I think this makes you a bad person. If you disagree then by your own rules that makes you childish. Does this help you see the fallacy of your logic?

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          Judging peoples choices regarding their own body that has nothing to do with anyone else makes the world less shitty.

          Got it. Thank you.

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            I look like shit, but that guy is going to die if he keeps taking such high doses of steroids. I don’t celebrate the life choices of an emaciated heroin addict, and while I might not mock them either, it’s understandable we might socially acknowledge that their behaviour is undesirable for a number of reasons. There’s no need to eradicate any and all perceived criticism of others’ choices, it feels a bit like you’re using it as a cudgel or some sort of weaponised purity test.

            or

            “I hope he reads this bro”

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              I look like shit, but that guy is going to die if he keeps taking such high doses of steroids.

              Okay, show us your life choices so we can judge you. I mean if it’s killing you, we’re allowed to mock you after all. Right?

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                You rely on that rhetorical device a little too much.

                In my daily life I expect, receive, and largely accept criticism for any poor decisions. I choose not to broadcast my daily life to the world via social media.

                Your behaviour, ironically, comes across as bullying.

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                  In my daily life I expect, receive, and largely accept criticism for any poor decisions. I choose not to broadcast my daily life to the world via social media.

                  And there it is. You believe that it is acceptable to bully someone so long as they publicly show their face and you are not willing to show yours because you are hiding from the same criticism.

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                    I don’t have the time or desire to maintain an online presence, nor do I think that’s a particularly healthy way to live. It’s not the default mode of existence; it’s an extremely recent phenomenon. If the cultural norm was to run naked down the street at 5pm with a stick up your arse, would deciding not to join in be “hiding”? Meanwhile, you seem to believe it’s acceptable to bully people who don’t conform to your ideal of human behaviour. That’s fine, just reflect on the consistency of that logic.

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          Also, by this logic trans people should get mocked because they made those choices to their bodies and it’s outside those norms, but i thought we were trying to be more accepting