Not an American, but I just noticed that the election day is on the 5th of November. Given the similarities between Trump and the chancellor, it seems like a good opportunity to remind people what is coming if they vote for Trump.

For those who haven’t watched V for Vendetta, do it, the reference will make sense.

Remember, remember, the 5th of November,

Gunpowder, treason and plot.

I see no reason

Why gunpowder treason

Should ever be forgot.

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      Most people don’t period. He was a Catholic that wanted a theocracy. Just because V for Vendetta promoted the guy doesn’t mean he should have been promoted.

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    I’m not American but IMO it has become far too associated with Anonymous and the stereotype of a rogue activist black hat hacker. Most people wouldn’t get the reference to the movie. They’d just wonder if you are the notorious hacker known as 4chan

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      Why? One of the candidates is standing on the platform of bringing back the monarchy. It’s fitting to use British iconography.

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    If I’m wearing the face of any antiquated European idealist it will be Maximilien Robespierre. There’s far more similarity between our position and the lead up to the French revolution than there is between us and the gunpowder plot.

    That said, the United States has so many people to pick from. Personally I like John Brown.

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    No. Most Americans have no clue who guy fawks is or what he did. It would be a weird thing to do in America culture.

  • No. Though it’s been used in recent times during all sorts of protests, its meaning and what kinds of protests in appears at are all over the map. It was even used by some during the January 6th insurrection. It’s also appeared alongside a fedora often enough that it gives me a little cringe to see it outside of an organized protest. If you really want to make a difference, get involved in an organization instead of fantasizing about being some lone wolf that takes down an individual to magically solve systemic problems. If you need to hide your face at a protest, try something that doesn’t provide royalties to a huge corporation.

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      If you really want to make a difference, get involved in an organization instead of fantasizing about being some lone wolf that takes down an individual to magically solve systemic problems.

      The whole point of the movie is the mobilaziation of the people. The mask is just a symbol.

      Also, as I said, I am not American. I am active in my country, but I have no reason to get involved in American politics (aside from stupid posts on social media 😅).

      • A symbol for what? The mask has been used by both the left and right in the US. Just protesting and power in numbers generally? Alas, the presidential election is not determined by popular vote. What would it mean to somebody who saw it at the polling location? Probably there’s some weirdo here. What politician would notice it? Absolutely zero.

        Mobilization for what? I think you’re missing something important with that idea.

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    The chancellor from the movie orthe chancellor from the original comics?

    Alan Moore may not like Trump (I don’t “like” Trump but think he’s normal as far as not-so-good presidents go, it will always be normal to get one of those each decade), but he said he didn’t like that the movie took away the leadership ambiguity his original comic had.

    Even as another movement steps into light, I don’t think the mask is best changed, that part is fine, but it would be stereotypical haste to not wait for something explicit/outright. What has Trump actually done that screams “I am an outright villain for this nation, fear me”? The Guy Fawkes groups are largely inactive in the discourse of Eastern nations, does that imply relative complicitness there?

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      What has Trump actually done that screams “I am an outright villain for this nation, fear me”?

      Do you mean besides the evil plan (project 2025), his explicit statements of becoming “president for life”/overstepping the bounds of the 2-term presidency, talking about jailing his opponents (including some republicans), his associates calling for violence, his lawyers referencing immunity to political violence (military assasination of a political rival), and an actual insurrection by his followers?

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        That’s not “his” evil plan (which doesn’t even include the president for life part, that was wishful thinking out loud), and the part about jailing opponents is mainly related to those who exploited due process in the political sphere in the past eight years. Which, although Trump is not himself innocent, many, many people did, both for one side and the other (think the Biden family trials, which any normal person would see as parallel to the Trump trials), but with this kind of thing never going anywhere, even for state governors.

        As for the rest, are we really going to hold someone accountable just because of their toxic fandom? That’s the mistake many are trying not to make with all the involved sides. I for one criticize presidents by, I don’t know, their policies and broken promises (e.g. Trump’s military inclusion protocol).

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          That’s not “his” evil plan

          Fair, but as the puppet in this theater of government takeover, he is culpable.

          which doesn’t even include the president for life part, that was wishful thinking out loud

          Clearly, him wishing to be a dictator does not concern you…

          the part about jailing opponents is mainly related to those who exploited due process in the political sphere in the past eight years

          Can you outline these for me, with some references? The list is:

          • Joe Biden
          • Kamala Harris
          • Mitch McConnell
          • Chuck Schumer
          • Mike Pence
          • Liz Cheney

          are we really going to hold someone accountable just because of their toxic fandom?

          Absolutely, when he stands by them.