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  • yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works
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    4 days ago

    60% of the economy being owned by the people exclusively for the benefit of the people isn’t communist?

    Please point out where in the manifesto you dozed off.

    • j_overgrens@feddit.nl
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      4 days ago

      60% of the economy being owned by the people exclusively for the benefit of the people isn’t communist?

      No

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        3 days ago

        Percentage wise doesn’t determine it, correct, but China is Socialist because the vast majority of its large firms and key industries are Publicly Owned, and the private sector is mainly cooperatives, sole proprietorships, and small businesses. Marx believed markets centralize themselves, meaning over time more can be publicly planned in an efficient manner.

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          3 days ago

          Marx believed that Socialism means that the workers own the means of production.

          In China the communist party owns 60% of the economy, and the rest of the economy is hosting 406 billionaires.

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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            The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i. e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.

            I want you to look at the bolded word. Why did Marx say by degree? Did he think on day 1, businesses named A-C are nationalized, day 2 businesses D-E, etc etc? No. Marx believed that it is through nationalizing of the large firms that would be done immediately, and gradually as the small firms develop, they too can be folded into the public sector. The path to eliminated Private Property isn’t to make it illegal, but to develop out of it.

            The essential condition for the existence, and for the sway of the bourgeois class, is the formation and augmentation of capital;[43] the condition for capital is wage-labour. Wage-labour rests exclusively on competition between the labourers. The advance of industry, whose involuntary promoter is the bourgeoisie, replaces the isolation of the labourers, due to competition, by their revolutionary combination, due to association. The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie, therefore, produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable.

            This is why, in the previous paragraph, Marx described public seizure in degrees, but raising the level of the productive forces as rapidly as possible.

            China does have Billionaires, but these billionaires do not control key industries, nor vast megacorps. The number of billionaires is actually shrinking in the last few years. Instead, large firms and key industries are publicly owned, and small firms are privately owned. This is Marxism.