Most of the time when people say they have an unpopular opinion, it turns out it’s actually pretty popular.

Do you have some that’s really unpopular and most likely will get you downvoted?

  • macrocarpa@lemmy.world
    41·
    2 年前

    The rise of feminism has seen the steady devaluation of the contribution of men in those areas of society where they should be most active. Rather than celebrate and recognise what’s right, the focus is on attacking what’s wrong.

    The majority of men are lonely, isolated and uncared for. Many feel unvalued, unsafe and vulnerable. There is less community support for men than there has been in the past, less institutional support, and a continued decline in the tolerance of men being in shared places. The minimisation of value in societal roles is yet another way that men are cut off.

    This seems to escape the vision of feminism. There is always claim of ideological alignment, where the empowerment of women directly benefits men, but when it comes to any form of concrete action that helps men that need help, or celebrates men that contribute - it’s nowhere to be seen.

    Men kill themselves. They kill themselves. In their thousands. Leaving cratered families, trauma, guilt from the survivors, many of whom are female. Because they feel valueless, helpless and can’t see a purpose to going on.

    Accountability goes both ways. In demanding support from men, feminism must support men.

    • YaaAsantewaa@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      2·
      2 年前

      The majority of men are lonely, isolated and uncared for

      Suicide rates are down amongst the youngest, the highest suicide rates are from people over 50 and specifically, white people over 50

    • pizzahoe@lemm.ee
      2·
      2 年前

      Because they feel valueless, helpless and can’t see a purpose to going on.

      I strongly believe this has nothing to do with feminism and is just a problem of the capitalist society we live in that only treats labour and hardwork like shit unless it can generate 1000x profits year on year. Building and serving a community isn’t rewarded. Everything is about greed and more profits. Feminism can’t solve capitalism. It can’t stop people from feeling it’s fucked up consequences like loneliness, feeling unvalued and committing suicide.

    • what_is_a_name@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 年前

      That is an important point. But why it’s unpopular is that it’s not “feminism’s” job to do this. Feminism is a struggle to give women equal opportunities to men. They do not include race, poverty, and definitely not men’s issues in this.

      To put it bluntly: It’s not women’s job to fix men.

      Men’s loneliness crisis may have come about as a result of modern societal changes. Including equality for women. But it’s men who need to organise and fix that.

      (And honestly- as someone who has moved around the western world - this seems uniquely American problem. European men have rich social lives. Even in the most feminist nations)

      • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldOP
        01·
        2 年前

        Nah, it comes from “feminists” making men the villains. And women listening to those “feminists”. It doesn’t concern me personally - I’m a man who’s pretty comfortable with who I am and some power-tripping psychos who hide behind feminism don’t really change anything about that, but sometimes I’m really sorry for men who are less sure of themselves or who internalized hearing they are the bad guys from all sides.

      • scubbo@lemmy.ml
        1·
        2 年前

        I have very little to add to this excellent comment, other than my heartfelt praise. Thank you.

    • oxjox@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      1 年前

      While I agree that feminism should support men, the guys who aren’t capable of having friendships with other humans are just, for whatever reason, anti-social.

      I’m a single guy in my mid forties. I have a huge social group and feel incredibly loved. Where this stigma came that men can’t get therapy or can’t cry or be affectionate with other men, I don’t know. I’ve never experienced this. Possibly because, thanks to the rise of feminism, my single mother was able to raise me with a career where she was able to put in the work and climb the corporate ladder without a college education. I didn’t have some dirt bag chauvinistic father raising me to treat women like meat. My father was a carpenter, an artist, and a poet. I learned the value of friendship and community and affection in my home. If someone’s struggling with loneliness or their place in their community, I wouldn’t blame feminism so much as their own family and inhibitions.

      I think you’re confusing “men” with “assholes”. It doesn’t matter what gender or sex you are, if you’re a dick, you’re not welcome and society is going to judge and punish you. In that sense, perhaps feminism has failed us in its support of all.