• Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      17
      ·
      1 day ago

      Slowing a response system clearly isn’t socially advantageous in any society where people are going to be operating any method of transportation like cars, bikes etc etc. I wouldn’t have a major opposition to it if people didn’t habitually attempt to leave the house while still high. Not to mention the consumption of it exposing others to chemicals through air pollution.

      • Kuori [she/her]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        17
        ·
        1 day ago

        air pollution

        oh hell yes now we’re talking. so you’re in favor of banning cigarettes, campfires, candles, gas stoves, and shit why not, indoor cooking too right?

        • Horse {they/them}@lemmygrad.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          gas stoves

          these also expose others to risk of death by explosion as gas stoves require gas pipes which blow up every so often, usually taking a few houses with it

          • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            13 hours ago

            You didn’t even include the most obvious one from San Bernardino. That one still haunts me. Luckily it happened in midday with surprisingly few casualties but a gas line blew up like a whole suburban block.

        • Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          1 day ago

          Indoor cooking serves a social purpose that marijuana doesn’t. We can’t just do away with it. As for the other things, they are already legal most places, if they were illegal I would most certainly oppose legalizing them and cigarettes should also be banned for the innocent people they kill through causing impaired driving and exposing innocent people to their smoke.

          • Kuori [she/her]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            15
            ·
            1 day ago

            Indoor cooking serves a social purpose

            big time yeah, but so does smoking. for that matter, so does alcohol.

            We can’t just do away with it.

            sure we could! we can just do it outside.

            ngl if all you’ve got is “well these things are legal and this one isn’t” then i’m deeply uninterested. “but it’s illegal!” okay so what? in the u.s. at least those laws were created explicitly to target and demonize black people and progressive movements. i listed the things i did bc they’re all harmful to human health in one way or another. candles put out a similar level of air pollution to smoking cigarettes inside. campfires? oh you better believe that shit is terrible for you. my point is that you’re not really being honest about the reasoning behind your beliefs. it’s okay to say “i think this should be banned because i don’t like it.” maybe nobody will agree with you! maybe they will. at least it would be truthful.

            • Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              1 day ago

              I am not using the law as a justification but rather saying that something already being socially unacceptable for the majority of people and already being illegal is easier to counteract than something that these is no base for its elimination already. It is easier to oppose something already illegal than saying we should eliminate something from scratch even if I agree with you that it ought to be eliminated long term. Smoking and alcohol do not serve the same purpose as cooking and are unnecessary and easily replaceable.

              • Kuori [she/her]@hexbear.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                12
                ·
                1 day ago

                rapidly losing interest here but illegality in no way corresponds to social unacceptability. i’m not sure why you would ever make the mistake of conflating the two tbh.

                • Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  5
                  ·
                  1 day ago

                  Marijuana is socially unacceptable by many people outside of those in criminal circles and it’s level of acceptability can be counteracted through media and education

          • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            9
            ·
            edit-2
            1 day ago

            Indoor cooking serves a social purpose that marijuana doesn’t

            So because you personally see no utility in something, nobody in society can benefit from it as they see fit. This is your reactionary boomer mind poking through. Taking selfish simplifications and extrapolating to them to everyone to enforce social control. You must recognize this is boomer behavior you are exhibiting. The exact logic is used to justify homophobia and transphobia.

            • Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 day ago

              Indoor cooking is a nearly universal concept that there is not an easy replacement for in the majority of cases. Eliminating marijuana is much more achievable.

              • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]@hexbear.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                7
                ·
                1 day ago

                if it’s so achievable then why hasn’t it been done despite the most authoritarian police state in world history with a surveillance state and billions in funding? Despite putting millions into jail for it to bring our prison population to the highest in human history?

                • Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 day ago

                  Because keeping people as offenders makes more money. Jails aren’t designed to help stop crimes. We should be using free treatment centers and education primarily.