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    So the meme is in agreement that defacing Stonehenge as a protest was pointless?

    There are ways to get attention for a cause without defacing one of the seven wonders of the world. Next time spray that cornstarch in BP’s corporate parking lot.

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      So the meme is in agreement that defacing Stonehenge as a protest was pointless?

      It was as pointless as everything else, that’s why they did it, it’s screaming into the void to get attention.

      There are ways to get attention for a cause without defacing one of the seven wonders of the world

      Are there though? I’m old enough to remember this has gone on for decades without anyone doing anything of significance and now we’re at the actual edge of global catastrophe and STILL people are like “hmn, those kids should be recycling.” Bruh, you and so many people have no idea how many lives are going to be lost in the next century while every milquetoast liberal and conservative in the developed world roll their eyes and get pissed at slight annoyances like… checks notes colored corn starch on rocks you will never visit.

      It’s like trying to shake someone in a dream to get them to pay attention. And the more you scream and hit them, the more they look ahead like zombies.

      They HAVE sprayed BP’s factories and lots and machines, they have sabotaged equipment and chained themselves to machines and have caused material harm to companies like BP, but that doesn’t get any fucking coverage because media doesn’t want to encourage “violent activism” for fear of turning away viewers like YOU who are annoyed by such things.

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        You don’t have to sell me on climate change protests. I’ve attended a few myself.

        I’m criticizing the delivery, not the message. The majority of people that heard that protest were those who travelled from around the world to see Stonehenge. Their plans were ruined, and they don’t care any more about climate change than they did that morning. Some may even resent the protesters.

        Performative radicalism is only compelling to those already behind a cause. It’s discrediting to everyone else, who should be your target audience.

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          I’m criticizing the delivery, not the message.The majority of people that heard that protest were those who travelled from around the world to see Stonehenge. Their plans were ruined, and they don’t care any more about climate change than they did that morning. Some may even resent the protesters.

          "You know, I don’t disagree that the coloreds should have more rights, but did they really need to sit at the lunch counter all day? I couldn’t sit at the counter and it made my lunch take so much longer. Really inconvenient to everyone trying to get some food.

          I just wished they’d go about it differently. They’re liable to make people even less accepting of them if they keep pulling stunts like that."

          I hope you know that’s what you sound like. Like, read the first paragraph of MLK Jr’s Letter from Birmingham Jail and you’ll see your argument in the “white moderate”:

          I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”

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          The majority of people that heard that protest were those who travelled from around the world to see Stonehenge.

          I didn’t travel to see Stonehenge and I’m hearing about it. So is everyone in this thread.

          Their plans were ruined

          And I see that now that the stones have been shown to be undamaged the dismissal of the protest is pivoting to “the poor people taking recreational flights have had their entire trip ruined!!!”

          If people become less likely to take unnecessary flights because protestors might “ruin their trip” I would consider that an absolute win.

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          I’m criticizing the delivery, not the message.

          I don’t care fucking one bit. It’s the same shit.

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            I’m criticizing the delivery, not the message.

            That’s the same argument white liberals used during the civil Rights movement.

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            Is it? I used to bring literature to protests, now I bring QR codes. I’ve personally educated hundreds, if not thousands on initiatives over the years. That drives more change than ruining a family trip. Being compelling has been more successful than being loud in my experience.

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              I’ve heard of them. I’ve never heard of you. Your experience is insufficient data to be making this grandiose of a statement.

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                I advocate for the cause I protest, not myself. How many people do you think will be compelled to care or learn more about climate change after this protest? How many people’s plans to see Stonehenge were ruined, leading to resentment of the cause?

                Activism isn’t like Trump’s campaign. Bad press is in fact, bad press.

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                  They have compelled more discussion in this single thread than you have with your whole life. Your moral grandstanding is nice. Effective tactics are nicer.