I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I’m an idiot.

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    The good guys are the citizens who want none of this.

    The bad guys are the citizens who want all of this, and the military personal behind the weapons, and the generals calling the shots.

    Same as it ever was.

    Edit: Lemmy.ml disagreed and nobody was surprised 🙀

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      This simplistic one size fits all argument falls flat when one side is being occupied and ethnically cleansed by the other side. It implies that Hamas is the “bad guy” and all other occupied Palestinians are the “good guy,” and it implies that non-military Israeli settlers are the “‘good guy.” But the truth is that the great majority of adult Israelis are militant settler-colonizers; and that Palestinians have the legal right under UN law to struggle against their occupiers by any means necessary, including armed struggle; and that Israel, as an occupier, has no right to “self defense.”

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          When you can’t support your own arguments, you could of course just acknowledge this or even just not comment at all instead of lashing out at those who can.

          It is particularly disgusting when your arguments serve to obscure genocide.

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                  You want to defederate from the largest Lemmy instance, the poster child, and the mascot of Lemmy? Good luck. They are Lemmy now.

                  Don’t care. If I gave a shit about the biggest instance because it has the most users, then I would have stayed on Reddit which has orders of magnitudes more users and to put it in the linked comment’s words, they still are link aggregators in the the commenter thinks .world “are” Lemmy. The whole damn point of federation is your instance is not locked into what the biggest instance wants to do.

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          The good guys are the citizens

          I’m going to have to stop you right there, because the Palestinians are not the citizens of any state: they are a people being occupied, apatheided, and genocided by the state of Israel. So there’s a “very, very simple truth” for you.

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          What does your both-sidesing accomplish here? Are you trying to say that Palestine’s resistance to colonialism isn’t justified?

          If so, then you’re doing this gandhi quote, but for the palestinian resistance.

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          Sees lemmy.world

          Sees weird .ML obsession and conflation of victims fighting oppressors with their oppressors

          Yeah, not surprised.

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            It’s kinda funny how fediverse servers are kinda akin to countries. USonians see someone from a country on the “countries of concern” list, and instantly assume every single person from that country is sneaky, lying, acting in bad faith, or insert whatever other adjective here.

            We don’t or shouldn’t make that same mistake. There are good people on every fediverse server, and we shouldn’t blanket demonize whole groups like racist colonizer ideology does.