Aw don’t worry you guys. The last time the US went all crazy with tarrifs was 1930 and that eventually worked out fine!

How fuckin brave. Marcy Rheintgen is a hero. I hope to God she doesn’t suffer any serious consequences.

Ok thanks for straightening me out. I realize I was looking at this: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/most-wanted

All i saw was “Most Wanted” and apparently ignored everything else.

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This post inspired me to go and look at the fbi’s most wanted list and I shit you not, there’s no violent killers, there is a long list of people wanted for fraud, wire fraud, bank fraud, money laundering, fraudulent investment schemes, tax evasion, etc. It made me think: hey, wasn’t the president convicted of fraud? And tax evasion? I’m pretty sure.

So if the dept of education doesn’t exist anymore does that mean federal student loans don’t exist anymore and don’t have to be paid anymore?

The liberals are certainly not my comrades.

You can absolutely make rhe case that the origin of the current homelessness crisis goes further back, but it is undeniable that Reagan accelerated the process beyond any other set of post war policies.

You can also point to some short term benefits from that administration but you don’t mention that Reagan (and the party of fiscal responsibility) increased the federal debt from $738 billion to $2.1 trillion, thus transforming the USA from the worlds largest creditor to the worlds largest debtor.

Since Reagan, many people who called themselves conservatives and those who called themselves liberals both embraced neoliberal policies, and some benefited a lot. The long term consequences we see are dissapearing middle class, ever increasing income inequality and record levels of homelessness.

It also seems like no particular person or party is really to blame, these are just the natural results of late stage capitalism, invisible hand of the market and all that.

Nope, I don’t buy it.

• An estimated one out of every 500 Americans is homeless
• Unarmed noncombatant civilian women and children are being bombed, shot, and starved to death.
• There has been a nearly 70% reduction in wild vertebrates worldwide since 1970
• The leading cause of death among children and teens in america is firearms

Privileged westerners could do something about these things, but they are sipping their pumpkin spice lattes and congratulating each other for putting their shopping carts back because, you know, it’s the ultimate test of moral righteousness. Ugh.

Conservatives have always been champions of individual freedoms

I don’t see evidence of that. I grew up in conservative family in a conservstive community. Conformity, rigid social and economic stratification seemed like the most important, foundational issues to my grandparents, my parents, and the community as a whole.

No Republicans or Democrats have participated in the Iseral Palestine conflict.

Deny all you like, however it is a fact of reality that if you supply weapons to someone you know will use then on unarmed noncombatant civilian women and children then you’re complicit in those deaths.Thats a war crime.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

You make a good point that there is a difference between republican and conservative. It reminds me of those who confuse democrats with leftists, and conflate liberals with socialists.

I see that some of the examples given are not collective punishment, just good old fashioned persecution.

The claim was made that conservatives are against collective punishment, where is the evidence for that? I challenge that claim because it is nonsense.

Jackson was a member of the newly formed democratic-repiblican political party. Regardless, conservatives that seek to promote and preserve traditional institutions and values want to continue his legacy by calling for mass deportation. Sounds like collective punishment to me.

Eleven thousand air traffic controlers were asking for a fair wage, reduced mandatory overtime and higher safety standards that all Americans could rely on. Reagan fired them all. Seems like collective punishment to me.

Post 9/11 there was a surge in crimes and incidents of discrimination against Muslims, Sikhs, and persons of Arab and South-Asian descent, as well as persons perceived to be members of these groups. Where? Largely in conservative stronghold red states. More recently, didn’t Donald call for a “total and complete shutdown” of the borders to Muslims? Smells like collective punishment to me.

Opposition to decriminalization of homosexuality and denial of rights for LGBTQ people is a pretty well known conservative position. Conservative-led legislation to deny lifesaving gender affirming care looks like collective punishment to me.

Both democrats and republicans alike have been complicit in the collective punishment of Palestinian people. According to U.N. data, of the casualties in Gaza, over 57% deaths were combined women and girls over 14, and children under 14.

The systematic killing of unarmed noncombatant civilian women and children continues. Where is conservative condemnation for the forced relocation and institutionalized murder of civilians?

And I’ll add to that list native Americans who legitimately feared genocide from the founding fathers that conservatives revere so much. Don’t forget The Indian Removal Act signed by Andrew Jackson.

One of the conservative values is that people have rights and you shouldn’t punish people collectively.

Except that collective punishment is and has been happening to unarmed noncombatant civilian women and children. Human rights advocates are protesting that.

How the hell do you say this is a conservative value when conservatives routinely call for the collective punishment of:

• all gay people

• all trans people,

• all south american and mexican refugees fleeing authoritarian governments, brutal drug trafficking cartels and economic instability

*all Muslim people

*all Palestinian people in particular including innocent children

This is the part I find particularly reprehensible- 2000 pound bombs dropped on children is justified by “Israel’s right to defend itself” and to protest this is “antisemitic”.

Meanwhile “One of the conservative values is that people have rights and you shouldn’t punish people collectively.”

This is the moral emptiness, duplicity and iniquity of American conservative politics.

Biden-Harris released him. I have the transcript of the taped conversation:

HARRIS: Joe! Wake up!

BIDEN: Mmpf sorry, you were saying?

HARRIS: Well I’m getting so tired of curry, so I’m going to turn black and then I can eat-

LESBIAN TRANSGENDER BIPOC WHITEHOUSE STAFFER (THEY/THEM): Comrades!, we captured that serial killer. What should we do with him?

BIDEN Zzzzzz

HARRIS: Joe! Wake up!

BIDEN: Yes sir, Xi- Oh sorry, what?

HARRIS: Does this serial killer hate America?

LESBIAN TRANSGENDER BIPOC WHITEHOUSE STAFFER (THEY/THEM): Yes, he swore it on Marx’s beard.

BIDEN Let him go!

HARRIS: Yes let him go!

LESBIAN TRANSGENDER BIPOC WHITEHOUSE STAFFER (THEY/THEM): Slaaay!

I think intelligence/personality are about even for me. I think I would not have rejected my wife if she were average intelligence, but the fact that she has a science background, and the quick way she thinks are part of the package that I fell for. So I will say very important, but not the most important.

Yeah that’s true.

Once a person begins to see how insidious and evil, how dehumanizing and destructive capitalism is, it can make people angry.

Well are we glad about this because dislike of Muslims or mad about this because religious intolerance? I’m not sure which way to be outraged.