And more recently than that he told Christians that if they vote for him they’ll never need to vote again

was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again

At this point the only thing I’m hoping for is that this happens in 4 years when Trump can’t legally run as president again. No figurehead, no MAGA.

Wishful thinking, but possible.

As for the democratic party, yeah pretty much. I think it’s been clear for a while that voters are unhappy with the DNC and reluctantly accept the lack of actual progressive policy. Much like the Republican party has been split from MAGA and “classical conservatism” for lack of a better phrase, the Democratic party has been split between liberals and leftists.

The difference is that classical conservatives will always vote in party lines, making the MAGA figurehead their guaranteed pick.

Democratic don’t always pick their party line. Sometimes we get independents or multiple Democrats, sometimes we just don’t show up to vote if the candidate isn’t as good as they should be. So like many have been saying, if we get an actual leftist candidate, it’s possible we would actually have significantly higher voter turnout.

Yes, I said the morningstar link was unrelated

People can vote for local elections and not vote for a president. There’s often local measures and ballots that make meaningful change, such as ranked choice. Which failed. Because people didn’t vote for it.

Enthusiasm for a president should not affect your local elections when the local elections are specifically meant to change how you vote for the president. Among other things, at least. Not having ranked choice was the thing everyone was complaining about, no one showed up to vote for it.

The Green Party having no political candidates in meaningful elected positions is propaganda?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States

Okay.

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/green-party-of-the-us/C00370221/donors/2024

Unrelated, just more mega donors with names https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20240618164/meet-the-10-biggest-megadonors-in-the-2024-election-cycle-so-far

And forgive me for thinking that the Leader of the Green Party should probably not have investments in the oil industry and Home Depot, index/retirement fund or not. If I can reallocate my inherited investments, the leader of the Green Party can too.

I doubt the conservatives will restructure the American government. When Trump dies, if it’s in office, J.D. Vance will be president.

If they continue with Project 2025, well, then I guess Christians will never have to vote again.

So Putin is better for Ukraine?

And if you do make it, like the people of Tulsa did, then the racists will bomb your city.

I’m sad to see this, because they shouldn’t be. It’s the 20 million people who voted 4 years ago who didn’t this time around. They didn’t vote at all, regardless of president, so there’s really no specific group to blame.

You can’t blame the Harris campaign for not getting voters to vote for local elections. Ranked choice initiatives didn’t pass, because people didn’t vote for them. Republicans got Senate because people didn’t vote against them. No one had to vote for president, but they surely could have voted at all.

Because Greens take insane amounts of donations from right wing donors, don’t have any issues getting investments in big oil, don’t do anything outside of election years, have hardly any positions in actual government (4 mayors, 17 council board members across states and not even all of them are actually are, that’s being generous). The Green Party in its current state is quite literally a scam and should not be supported.

The other ones you mentioned are fine.

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The issue isn’t how people used their votes. The issue is that 20 million people didn’t show up to vote.

With the math available, every single Democratic voter could have voted 3rd party and Trump would still have won. Third party voters had little to no effect on this election, outside of those who were swaying to say don’t vote at all. 50 to 100 thousand third party votes from each state just don’t make the numbers needed for the E.C. votes.

We needed voters, period. They didn’t show up.

There’s just something off-putting about a text based forum getting video content.

Vermhat is my President of choice if I’m being honest

I feel like the real reason Democrats would be attacking her would be due to her happily accepting donations from Republican led sponsors, aiming to actively sway Democratic voters instead of specifically both, and the distance that she has from actual election given that she’s not on the ballot in a number of states and is posing herself as the anti-war candidate despite saying that Russia invaded Ukraine because they needed to defend themselves from nukes. Odd how it’s okay to be apologetic to Russia but not Israel. You must understand - as a third party they can claim to have a plan for world peace, but what members in Congress will sponsor those bills? Even if Jill Stein did become President, who is approving her policies?

All that aside – she does very little in between election years. The Green Party as a whole has accomplished less of its supposed goals while having far more funding than the SRA. I would also expect that the leader of the Green Party practice what she preaches, as her and her husband have stock in just as many oil companies as the Democrats do. So quite honestly, it’s hard to see her as anyone but a faux candidate who shows up to take money from Green Party voters, preventing actual change from happening with that money because it’s going into a candidacy that will go nowhere.

If she cared, she would campaign for her donations to be given to something that would actually have meaningful effects, and she would push for more local candidates to run. The sad fact of the matter is that the Green Party has candidates who start out Green then move to a different party and are completely happy taking donations from Big Oil just like Kyrsten Sinema.

To call the Democrats a joke party when the tactics of the Green Party have been laughable is just one reason why they aren’t taken seriously. Another would be this quote:

there are more open socialists in just the New York state legislature right now (8, all caucusing together, will be 9 next year) than have been elected total above the local level for the Green Party (5). even accounting for party switching, this expands to just 9 people in history.

We can also just look at the Public Office Holders for the Socialists and the Green Party.

In short – The Green Party is the vote of choice because there is a Presidential candidate, but they offer nothing else through the four years. People are asking where the Democrats have been for them, what about the Green Party? Why are they all too happy to take money from you but do nothing in between for local activism? People are saying that the Democrats only provide lip service when they say things like supporting a two state solution, but lip service from the Green Party is totally fine? The Socialists or the DSA seem to at least aim for actionable goals, but is there no support for them because there’s no Presidential candidate? We’ve also seen that they (Socialists) actually have a chance of being elected if they run on a democratic platform and push bills that we can be proud of, something that historically cannot be said for members of the Green Party.

I hope this provides some insight on why people, not just Democrats, don’t feel like the Green Party is a worthwhile option.

This week, Stein received an endorsement from David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader. Duke, a known white supremacist, endorsed Stein over Trump, citing her criticism of U.S. policy on Israel as the reason. Stein has unequivocally rejected the endorsement, calling Duke a “racist troll” in a social media post. Nevertheless, the attention surrounding the endorsement has cast a shadow over Stein’s campaign and added a controversial layer to an already-complex race.

I hate when you’re on my side!

Passion project “dev”.

Mechanics first. Placeholder template for what you need for visuals. There’re also free assets for that if you want to avoid your own altogether.

Sound is a set all on its own, so I would save that for the near-mid to near-end point (before finishing touches). That is to say, don’t think about it for a while.

Others have said, but take it like a cake. One piece at a time ;)

Alright then.

To quote a friend,

"Jabari Brisport. He ran as a Green Party candidate in 2017 with the backing of New York City Democratic Socialists of America. He lost 70-30 when he did that (that was a “respectable performance” for a Green Party candidate) and the Greens reaped exactly nothing from him running besides a “moral victory” that they haven’t improved on or built off of since.

When Jabari again as a Democrat in 2020, he actually won. He’s a big reason we got the Build Public Renewables Act passed–and a reason why bills such as the Clean Futures Act and the All-Electric Building Act get introduced and debated at all (because he helps introduce them and fight for them on behalf of the chapter). Thanks to him, there are now material, working class victories that socialists can point to for why people should elect us over moderate Democrats who don’t care about any of this. If he just kept running as a Green, we probably wouldn’t have been able to do any of that. running as a Green was a quixotic strategy that accomplished nothing for the working class, and he’d be the first to admit that."

It’s wild, but running as a democratic candidate makes it so that we are able to accomplish more. So to throw that away to “show the Dems what they deserve” is completely contradictory to what we need to be doing to actually accomplish meaningful changes in our government.

Electing Republicans forces PoC and queer politicians to step down from death threats and fear of their livelihood. It removes safeguards for students and the disabled, for protestors and for communities who are dependent on support from their government.

When socialists run as Democrats, they get elected and accomplish small steps. Small steps are about the only actions we have.