I think Peskov just said that there is no agreement yet actually

I can’t imagine being in a country like Ukraine and have to worry about being sent to the front.

It’s terrible. Thankfully I’ve left before the war started, so I’m safe, but I see and hear the stories (both from my friends and family who are still there, as well as just generally from Ukrainian news) everyday about someone getting kidnapped and beaten/tortured/killed by the regime, or about people trying to escape this hell by “illegally” crossing the border and either being caught by regime’s “border guard” or die trying… Seeing liberals cheer that makes me… well, “a little bit upset”.

I agree with Universal Monk though and good that you removed the last paragraph.

👍

Thanks man, I really appreciate it.

(btw, Bobr is not in any way related to Bob, but I don’t mind being called that if you like it :D)

Yeah, I just needed to vent. When people on the internet support the abuse and extermination of everyone you know so unanimously (well, on liberal Lemmy instances that is) it’s hard to stay coolheaded, and not wish the same to them :(

You are definitely right and probably not all liberals are bad, it’s just that Lemmy like Reddit attracts the worst of them, and this concentrated exposure affects me not in a good way…

Anyway, thanks for keeping me in check <3. I’ve removed that last paragraph.

And just in case, it’s not about this being my instance (I want it to be instance for everyone, everyone’s instance), it’s about this particular community which I’ve created solely for my shitposts :) And also, feel free to downvote me when I’m shitposting something you disagree with :)

Well, you (as in liberals or US democrats) are literally trying to kill me and every other Ukrainian while trying to convince the world you are actually the good guys…
So yeah, I don’t think there is anything you can say that will convince me that actually killing millions of innocent people is good.

I am quite sure I described Zelensky.

I wish you to once also become a part of the free world as well, where you can’t leave your country, and you along with your entire family are kidnapped off the streets by the regime of such a “leader of the free world”, beaten, and sent to a meatgrinder where you die in a couple of weeks, or get permanently injured.

Zelensky could be ousted? No way!

We all love our country being turned into mass prison, being kidnapped off the streets by TCC guys, get beaten (or just killed) and then sent to the meatgrinder (if not killed or had too many broken bones before that) to die a horrible death for our glorious master Zelensky!

Don’t believe anyone who says otherwise, they are tankies spreading Russian propaganda.

Brutal hypocrisy.

Feel free to expand on that, Lemmy’s character limit is slightly more than your 3 words comment ;)

Inb4 censorship from liberals is not censorship, it is fighting the far right misinformation and removing harmful content or whatever.

Just choose a different instance :)

Good. People are finally starting to fight the real enemy. What I am really happy about is that it seems that it is slowly but steadily becomes less and less of a taboo for western media to write about what’s actually happening in Ukraine (and not “Zelensky is the greatest leader ever and every single Ukrainian is happily dying for his regime”).

which law enforcement officials are calling a Russian-orchestrated campaign.

Eh… If you actually read/watch Ukrainian news, you will see how desperate those fuckers are… If you do anything except blindly supporting our Lord and Saviour Mr. Zelensky - you are a Russian agent. Don’t you even dare speak about the atrocities of TCC, all the people they beaten, tortured and killed. They will soon label an entire country as Russian agents :/

Liberals are literally more cruel than war.

A person that has even a slightest bit of compassion/empathy recognizes how bad war is and helps people flee the affected areas, ensures there are minimal casualties, supports ending the war.

Liberals have no compassion, no emapthy, they only pursue their goals no matter the human suffering. They support a dictator that stops people from fleeing the country, resulting in thousands of deaths and suffering people. They support people being kidnapped from the streets, homes and hospitals (the same people that they trapped there), and sent into the meatgrinder, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths. They would not mind the war going on until the very last Ukrainian is dead. They have no red lines.

Liberals make an already awful thing a level of magnitude worse. Liberals are worse than war.

The only thing more cruel than war is liberals.

What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes

That’s exactly what liberals of Lemmy do though.

When was the last time you spoke against Zelensky’s regime, that literally turned my country into a concentration camp that people cannot leave and are kidnapped off the streets (and even fucking hospitals!) in front of their crying wives/mothers, to be sent into the meatgrinder and never be seen again?

That’s a rhetorical question, of course you never did (and those who do, including me, are paid Russian shills, tankies or just bots). Because for a liberal, it’s never “authoritarianism bad” or “Nazism bad” or “human rights violations bad” or anything like this - it’s only bad when the other side is doing it. When “the good guys” are doing it, it’s not just totally acceptable, the guy is a hero.

Well, you raise a valid point, it’s also bad of course.
It’s just that “forcing you to do a thing (a physical labor) you do not want to do” and “forcing you to give up a part of your salary” are different things.

Let’s not pretend this doesn’t happen 100 fold in Russia

I think it’s also happening in Russia, and people fighting for their freedom in Russia are also heroes

except your tiny dictator doesn’t allow people to speak freely in Russia

“My tiny dictator” (that I didn’t vote for though, and who is totally illegitimate right now) is Zelenskyi, he doesn’t have a great deal of influence on speaking freely in Russia, he does make sure that people have no say in his little kingdom where he is the authoritarian ruler though

Gtfo out of Ukraine

Thankfully I already did. Otherwise I would be dead just like hundreds of thousands of other Ukrainians, thanks to people like you who support Zelensky’s regime.

Or is it just being forced to directly do morally abhorrent things?

Not just “morally abhorrent things”, any forced labor is wrong.

I don’t think I am “arguing semantics” (whatever that means), and you evaded the question :(

In the event of a real defensive war, where your nation is invaded with the intent of conquest or subjugation, you will not have a lack of volunteers. You will have a lack of trained people.

Hey, I have a (purely theoretical!) question if you don’t mind.

So, if there was (theoretically of course) a war out there, where the government openly admits that they lack volunteers, people are trying to escape the country en masse by illegally crossing the border, and also there were thousands of videos online about that government kidnapping people off the streets (so that they have at least someone to send into the war), would it mean by your definition that such a war is not “with the intent of conquest or subjugation”?

It is abuse and violation of person’s freedom and dignity. It (and people supporting it) should be fought by any means necessary.