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3·16 days agoYup, there’s a reason why RCV initiatives are being repealed faster than they’re being adopted.
RCV produces worse results than First Past the Post.
Which is a massive problem for voting reform, because people will say “we tried that, and it made things worse” while thinking about RCV. It poisons the well, and makes real voting reform much harder.
3025·17 days agoOr maybe some Russian State backed programmers have tried to slip in backdoors in various key systems, numerous times. Including one that almost went live on millions of machines.
Ah, the old, “Democrats aren’t doing enough to stop this, so let’s help elect the Republicans who will make things so much worse”
Because you just don’t believe in the Spoiler Effect.
Except Ranked Choice doesn’t actually fix anything, and in fact can make things worse.
RCV is the only voting system designed that fails the monotonicity criterion.
What that means is that ranking a candidate higher on your ballot can cause them to lose.
Which is insane, and a deal breaker, and not the only massive flaw with the system.
A lot of it stems from the fact that RCV is, at its core, a series of First Past the Post elections on a single ballot.
You cannot fix the problems with First Past the Post by just iterating First Past the Post.
No, the only way to actually fix things is to ditch Ordinal voting in favor of Cardinal voting.
www.equal.vote is a good source for more in depth analysis of actual fixes.
6·21 days agoI like vector pinball as well.
Advocating for third parties under our current voting system, and at the current moment, is indistinguishable from advocating for Trump.
Simple question, where are the Whigs today? Gone? Because that’s what it takes to have a different party. The Whigs imploded, and the Democratic Republicans then swept the elections for a couple of years until the Republican Party coalesced.
Gore did not in fact win. Not because he didn’t have more votes, but because it was close enough that Republicans could steal the election. I Ralph Nader had not been on the ballot, Gore would have easily pulled the win. But several thousand unimpeachable votes.
This is called the Spoiler Effect. It’s the mechanism by with Durverger’s Law works. A vote for a third party is a vote against your own interests. Ralph Nader voters were horrified to learn that they helped Bush win the election.
But all this debate here is effectively in a vacuum. We’re not actually talking about the current election. A vote for a socialist third party in this year’s election is a wasted vote. Full Stop. You’ll not impress anyone, and the socialist candidate will not care about you. And that’s because the “socialist” candidate is likely a Republican plant. Because the two major parties know about the Spoiler Effect, and Republicans specifically have been funding the “left leaning” third parties to split the vote so that they can win.
If you as an individual want to harm yourself, I’ll not really care. I can’t stop you. But if you start advocating for others to join you, I’ll call you out as a Republican plant, working to fuck over the rest of us.
Just because you’re too lazy to actually look them up, doesn’t mean that they aren’t full of equations.
This is one Proof of Arrow’s Theorem;
Let G be a coalition with size ≥ 2. Partition the coalition into nonempty subsets G 1 , G 2.
Fix distinct x , y , z. Design the following voting pattern (notice that it is the cyclic voting pattern which causes the Condorcet paradox):
voters in G 1 : x ≻ i y ≻ i z voters in G 2 : z ≻ i x ≻ i y voters outside G : y ≻ i z ≻ i x
(Items other than x , y , z are not relevant.)
Since G is decisive, we have x ≻ y. So at least one is true: x ≻ z or z ≻ y.
If x ≻ z, then G 1 is weakly decisive over ( x , z ) . If z ≻ y, then G 2 is weakly decisive over ( z , y ). Now apply the field expansion lemma.
See how helpful that is? No, Well, if you had a phd in math or political science it would be.
This is the wiki link if you want the full Proofs. And that’s just Arrow’s Theorem.
Durverger’s Law is both simpler, and more targeted. It simply states that if you have a system of government where there is single winner elections and plurality voting, you will inevitable have a two party system, and that further, any attempt to create a viable Third Party is not only doomed to failure, but is actively harmful to the interests of those Third Party voters.
In other words, the Spoiler Effect, Like what happened with Ralph Nader in 2000. He’s the reason why Bush won.
Arrow’s Theorem and Duverger’s Law.
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So, your plan for fixing everything is for the left to stop voting so that the right can win and make voting illegal.
Because that’s how it works.
This election in particular has democracy itself on the ballot.
It may be a flawed democracy, but the only other option is a fascist dictatorship.
There are no other options because of First Past the Post voting. Literally. The math does not lie.
Yeah, while there are dozens or possibly hundreds of flavors of “wicca”. The first tenent is almost always some variation on “do no harm”. Normally phrased something like “as it harms none, do as thou will”… Which is odd phrasing for something written in the last century.
The main exception is those who follow Crowley. His whole deal was “do what thou will shall be the whole of the law”.
Crowley was mostly in it for the shock value.
And again, Crowley’s “ancient wisdom” is newer than the invention of photography. We even have recordings of him speaking.
I know, it’s maddening. But thanks to how elections work, you have exactly two options. And they are not the same.
If you think that Biden’s policy is bad, just look at what Trump has planned.
He’s likely to order the US military to help in the genocide. And since Arabs have not had the best public image in the US in the last 20 some years…
There’s a chance the military would do it.
With that as the other option, the current diplomatic talks are far better.
Now, here’s why promoting some also-ran jack off is a bad idea. Your also-ran cannot win. It’s literally impossible. They can only siphon off votes from the left, and that means that Trump wins and everyone learns again that when a madman tells you what he’ll do, you should believe him.