This was in the side bar of that article.
What the fuck is this timeline?
Well to his credit he, as of now, still murdered less people than Kissinger.
They’re just realizing that the gig is about to dry up, so they’re doing one last round of embezzlement.
Are they going to buy American weapons and send them to Ukraine? If so that would be a massive W for Trump and the military industrial complex.
That is the only way, to tell Ukraine that it still has real allies, that as much as the USA withdraws, we will put in. Any other option is to be a whore and pay for the night.
I’m sorry, but it’s obvious Zelenskyy does not give a flying fuck about Ukraine. All he cares about is planting those sweet NATO bases right at Russia’s door, just like they agreed decades ago not to do. He is using his country as a killing field for the US to gain advantage over Russia. Not that Russia is an innocent lamb obviously either. Just… please read about the origins of this conflict and do not for a second buy into the ‘Zelenskyy champion of anti-imperialism and democracy’ rhetoric the EU loves to use. This is a lot more complex.
Thank you Ivan for your well thought out and sourced opinion. (/s obviously)
It’s honestly awesome to confirm that most people cannot think any further than “if you don’t side with them, then you must side with the others”.
You are actively spreading unsourced demonstrably false “information”. You are going far and above just “not siding”. The reaction you are getting are not surprising at all. If you genuinely are not trolling/intentionally spreading mis-information then I don’t know man… Do something about the way you say things ?
(btw: eurasan times is well known for being biased, partial, and spreading misinformation)
If you’d opened the link you’d know that Eurasian Times is referencing an article by Telegraph.co.uk that analyzes a draft sent to Zelenskyy by Trump to which it claims to have had access. So it’s not even a piece of news by Eurasian Times. Would you also say that The Telegraph is well known for being biased, partial, and spreading misinformation (aka Pro-Putin)?
Perhaps I would, but in the sense that they tend to favor NATO/US interests.
So I’ve been trying to make authentic Pelmeni, but I keep finding conflicting recipes about the ratio or use of ground pork and beef to use and also whether to use dill, do you have a good recipe?
Of course, Zelenskyy is an evil ruler who hates his people, and that justifies a violation of his sovereignty and the annexation of their territories, because … well because … I don’t know something that blames Brussels bureaucrats, neither is that you strive a lot in the narrative
Yes, Zelenskyy is a shell of a human being, and so are Trump and Putin. Brussels’ bureaucrats do not play any significant role in this conflict, and neither does he. Just look at who just spoke a few days ago to negotiate peace in Ukraine. Was Zelensky there? Nope. That should tell you who matters and who doesn’t.
This is also quite telling:
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/trumps-plan-to-extract-500-billion-from-ukraine/?amp
Of course, sure, Zelenskyy, Trump, and Putin are exactly the same. My goodness, how could this kind of cheap, third-rate propaganda be influencing some people so much?
And what propaganda would that be? I just said I didn’t like any of them, so who has brainwashed me? China? 😧 Do you even know what the definition of propaganda is? Seriously…
Oh, come on. Fine, I’ll put it in writing if you need it.
The first step in the oldest playbook in the business says: if the leader you want to defend (or the company, or the country, it doesn’t matter) does something so obviously wrong that it’s indefensible, make the rival look the same. It doesn’t matter how, it doesn’t matter how much, just muddy the playing field.Putting Putin and Zelenskyy on the same level is exactly that, and it’s damn transparent to anyone with half a functioning brain.
Ah, right. So if I don’t like Zelenskyy and Trump, it MUST be because I like Putin. No other option possible. Such genious, complex geostrategical thinking!
If I point out what is criticizable about Zelenskyy, it must be because I want to justify what Putin has done. That indeed does sound like propaganda, come to think of it.
There is more in the world than black and white, love. And certainly in international politics. You’re the one spouting exactly the same heroic nonsense as the EU. I’m trying to tell you there is more to this conflict than that infantile “good guys” and “bad guys” viewpoint.
But whatever, suit yourself.
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the more money they put in ukraine, the less people have spent in their territory, the more likely it will be for far-right, pro-russian politicians to get elected. putin is something of an evil genius.
When you get your political framework from marvel movies
@NightOwl@lemmy.ca LMAO With what weapons? Not going to happen.
You see, weapons do not grow on trees. Instead, you need to allocate resources, to either construct them yourself, or purchase them from other people who do. This is usually done with money.
@Carrolade@lemmy.world
Which won’t happen overnight — Probably take a decade or more.
@NightOwl@lemmy.ca
Decade? Probably not, unless you’re trying to spin up domestic production from nothing.
Few years maybe. Depends who you buy them from and how developed their industry is. S Korea does a lot of artillery production. US has its fair share if you want jets. Everyone’s got small arms, trucks, stuff like that.
@Carrolade@lemmy.world
The EU and America ARE starting from scratch. They shuttered most of their industrial capacity, thinking war in the future was only going to be high-tech.
@NightOwl@lemmy.ca
Scratch? No, not even close. A reduction and an elimination are not the same thing.
@Carrolade@lemmy.world
O pull your head out of the sand. You must be young and don’t remember the Rust Bowl in America. And all the Americans thrown out of work as they deindustrialized. No one has the capacity to beat Russia in producing armaments. It takes years to build that type of capacity.
@NightOwl@lemmy.ca
… remember the Rust Bowl? lol You should do your homework a little better.
Now I will agree that it takes years, absolutely. Not decades though, which is what you said earlier. Also, fortunately, the process of scaling up armaments production was already started, about two years ago.
Of course, that’s why they’ve been able to devastate Ukraine without facing much resistance. They’re certainly not being humiliated, are they?
But let’s be real, there’s a big difference between being able to build tractors with a cannon attached and actually producing proper tanks. Europe has one capability, and Russia has the other—I don’t need to spell out which is which, the convoy heading toward Kyiv at the start of the war made that pretty clear.
it sounds like they don’t believe that they have a choice:
“European officials believe Trump is likely to agree to withdraw U.S. troops from the Baltics and perhaps further west, leaving the EU vulnerable to a Russian army that NATO governments warn is preparing for a larger conflict beyond Ukraine,” the newspaper reported.
@eldavi@lemmy.ml
The EU leaders in Brussels are crazy! It’ll be a self-fulfilling prophecy if they keep being belligerent towards Russia. The EU is a middle power at best. Russia doesn’t need any more territory, nor does it want to occupy land in the eastern Baltic’s. It’s fearmongering for the EU to manufacture consent.
@NightOwl@lemmy.ca
Russia doesn’t need any more territory
Dear sir/madam, you may not be aware but Russia is currently engaged in an unprovoked war where it has invaded a neighboring country.
You forgot “full scale”
@SacralPlexus@lemmy.world
What planet do you live on — Objectively they were provoked, by NATO on their doorstep. Let’s see how that would work if China or Russia parked their bases in both Mexico and Canada, minutes away from Washington …
@NightOwl@lemmy.ca @eldavi@lemmy.ml
— or cuba
@eldavi@lemmy.ml
Exactly!
@NightOwl@lemmy.ca @SacralPlexus@lemmy.world
Objectively, Russia threw a fit when the orange revolution happened. Even more so when Maidan happened and their stooge had to flee the country.
Having a former Soviet state turn into a functional democracy, with lower levels of corruption and a higher standard of living, might inspire forces within Russia to do the same, no?
Remember, ousting a democratically elected leader in a coup is “functional democracy”, so long as it aligns with USA foreign interest, of course
this is how american propaganda works; it doesn’t outright block the information that you need to make an informed decision like a chinese internet firewall. instead that information is hidden away from you, buried in news articles that you’ll never read (or even be are that you need to read); or reports that get little to no air time on tv or social media; or couched in dense legalese that requires a law degree to understand and it’s not because you’re lazy or ignorant, but because you’re distracted by your other shit that needs to get done and/or bills you need to pay.
in this case: the knowledge that that’s been kept from you is that the orange revolution and the maidan protests are the result of american soft power exerting itself over ukraine’s political system and that “functional democracy” was dangled over them like a carrot on a stick to join nato in a reality were not even americans get to enjoy such a democracy.
That’s laughable.
Both happened due to Ukrainians being fed up with political corruption.
Ukraine went through horrible economical and political upheaval during the 90s. At the same time the western ukrainians were free to watch Polish TV, they interacted with their European brethren and were able to see how countries without chronical corruption worked.
The difference between them and their Russian counterparts is that they rose up and threw their corrupted leaders out on their asses a few times. I hope the Russians grow a spine within my lifetime.
Don’t forget that Maidan was about Yanukovic’s bait and switch when it came to Ukraine’s economic ties with the EU and a potential route to EU-candidate status.
You may be convinced that the uprising were the result of American soft power, but I’m convinced that it was through experiencing the upheaval of the post Soviet 90s and their experience seeing neighboring former east-bloc brethren improving their lives during the same period.
@torstein@lemmy.world No.
@NightOwl@lemmy.ca @eldavi@lemmy.ml @SacralPlexus@lemmy.world
This is more like Texas seceding on good terms, then after a couple of years a communist coup happens and the new Texas president joins the Latin American Nuclear Defense Organisation aimed against the US and supressess the non-Hispanic population of Texas prompting a small civil war within Texas by people not wanting to be part of a pro-Latin American government, and then the US helping and ultimately invading the parts of Texas that was never part of Mexico ever and then Mexico calling that a full-scale invasion of Texas that must be defended at all cost.
it’s pure posturing
@yogthos@lemmy.ml
Agreed — Unfortunately, the faithful believe the rubbish.
@NightOwl@lemmy.ca
Material reality always wins in the end.
