They’ve went further than that & now it is criticism of Israel as well. Moreso, despite those things representing a dark history, if someone cosplays as a Nazi or thinks Hitler didn’t murder 6 million, or whatever number they are at now, as long as they aren’t there being violent (which is already criminal) then arresting them because of thought crimes is fascist behavior. The censorship as well has only emboldened those ideas. When you lock people up for speaking about something then those ideas grow like cancer. People will believe they are legitimate ideas that the government is covering up. Don’t believe me or whatever, but don’t be surprised when you create a monster.
No, criticizing Israel is certainly 100% not illegal, what are you talking about. Being pro-Palestine isn’t illegal.
The only thing that’s even tangentially related and therefore might have been what you heard and misinterpreted is that Hamas flags have been added to the list of anti-constitutional banned symbols in Germany, so those are illegal. But clearly support for Hamas ≠ “criticizing Israel” lol
if someone cosplays as a Nazi or thinks Hitler didn’t murder 6 million […] then arresting them because of thought crimes is fascist behavior.
Hahahahaha no. It’s not “thought crimes” when you explicitly say through symbols: “I want Jews, disabled people, leftists, and traveling folk to be genozided”. Because that’s what that is. It’s not a thought when you wear it or carry it around.
The US “free speech absolutist” Musk and his hypocritical friends have gotten into your mind. Preventing intolerance isn’t intolerance in itself.
The only thing that’s even tangentially related and therefore might have been what you heard and misinterpreted is that Hamas flags have been added to the list of anti-constitutional banned symbols in Germany, so those are illegal. But clearly support for Hamas ≠ “criticizing Israel” lol
Hahahahaha no. It’s not “thought crimes” when you explicitly say through symbols: “I want Jews, disabled people, leftists, and traveling folk to be genozided”. Because that’s what that is. It’s not a thought when you wear it or carry it around. Because that’s what that is. It’s not a thought when you wear it or carry it around.
Right, just like posting a picture of Luigi from Super Mario Bros. now when talking about the oligarchy means you intend to kill CEOs and so you should be arrested whenever you display an image of Luigi. Publicly denying the Holocaust in Germany is a crime, that is how thought crimes work.
Even wearing a swastika or flying a Nazi flag doesn’t mean you’re a murderer or that you intend to murder people. Many modern Nazis don’t believe that 6 million Jews were murdered and that those were facts made up by powerful Jews, so to claim they intend to murder more people because of it is ridiculous when they don’t believe the murder happened. In fact, what I’ve seen recently online is a prevalence of people (what I am hopeful are mostly bot accounts) advocating for murdering & being violent against those who appear to be wearing Nazi symbolism or using some Nazi hand gesture, but who are being non-violent.
Everyone, even you has the potential to become violent. That doesn’t mean people should attack you because you have potential to become violent. That is not how free speech works and is fascist behavior.
I get it, giving the government the ability to randomly shift the boundaries of what’s considered a hate symbol can backfire if the government becomes fashy. We can see that in the US right now where they twist everything they can to make things happen that they want to happen, with no regard for process and how tools were supposed to be used.
But that’s historically not what happened with paragraph 86a, and I don’t see it happening without AfD coming into power. I might eat my words some day, but precedent has held strong with that one.
They’ve went further than that & now it is criticism of Israel as well. Moreso, despite those things representing a dark history, if someone cosplays as a Nazi or thinks Hitler didn’t murder 6 million, or whatever number they are at now, as long as they aren’t there being violent (which is already criminal) then arresting them because of thought crimes is fascist behavior. The censorship as well has only emboldened those ideas. When you lock people up for speaking about something then those ideas grow like cancer. People will believe they are legitimate ideas that the government is covering up. Don’t believe me or whatever, but don’t be surprised when you create a monster.
No, criticizing Israel is certainly 100% not illegal, what are you talking about. Being pro-Palestine isn’t illegal.
The only thing that’s even tangentially related and therefore might have been what you heard and misinterpreted is that Hamas flags have been added to the list of anti-constitutional banned symbols in Germany, so those are illegal. But clearly support for Hamas ≠ “criticizing Israel” lol
Hahahahaha no. It’s not “thought crimes” when you explicitly say through symbols: “I want Jews, disabled people, leftists, and traveling folk to be genozided”. Because that’s what that is. It’s not a thought when you wear it or carry it around.
The US “free speech absolutist” Musk and his hypocritical friends have gotten into your mind. Preventing intolerance isn’t intolerance in itself.
Okay but the facts disagree with you:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/world/europe/germany-pro-palestinian-protests.html
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/europe/europe-germany-hamas-crackdown-free-speech-intl/index.html
Right, just like posting a picture of Luigi from Super Mario Bros. now when talking about the oligarchy means you intend to kill CEOs and so you should be arrested whenever you display an image of Luigi. Publicly denying the Holocaust in Germany is a crime, that is how thought crimes work.
Even wearing a swastika or flying a Nazi flag doesn’t mean you’re a murderer or that you intend to murder people. Many modern Nazis don’t believe that 6 million Jews were murdered and that those were facts made up by powerful Jews, so to claim they intend to murder more people because of it is ridiculous when they don’t believe the murder happened. In fact, what I’ve seen recently online is a prevalence of people (what I am hopeful are mostly bot accounts) advocating for murdering & being violent against those who appear to be wearing Nazi symbolism or using some Nazi hand gesture, but who are being non-violent.
Everyone, even you has the potential to become violent. That doesn’t mean people should attack you because you have potential to become violent. That is not how free speech works and is fascist behavior.
I get it, giving the government the ability to randomly shift the boundaries of what’s considered a hate symbol can backfire if the government becomes fashy. We can see that in the US right now where they twist everything they can to make things happen that they want to happen, with no regard for process and how tools were supposed to be used.
But that’s historically not what happened with paragraph 86a, and I don’t see it happening without AfD coming into power. I might eat my words some day, but precedent has held strong with that one.