With a push from President Donald Trump, House Republicans sent a budget blueprint to passage Tuesday, a step toward delivering his âbig, beautiful billâ with $4.5 trillion in tax breaks.
But if you make more than me, and have for a long time. then you could have even more assets than I do. Correct?
Youâre the one who bragged about your assets, then tried to pivot to wages when called out. Iâm not playing this game of one-upmanship. The point is about systemic issues, not personal finances.
And nothing says you have to stop doing that. In fact, you can even donate more and cut your lifestyle if it means that much to you. I wonât be doing that, but you certainly can.
Again, missing the point entirely. Individual actions donât fix broken systems. Thatâs like saying âjust use less waterâ during a drought while corporations drain aquifers. We need collective action and policy change, not performative personal sacrifice.
Ok, so did Biden reverse that in his 4 years he was in office and controlled both the house and the senate?
Democrats had a razor-thin majority with Manchin and Sinema blocking major reform. Despite that, the Inflation Reduction Act implemented a 15% corporate minimum tax for large corporations and a 1% tax on stock buybacks. This doesnât fully reverse Trumpâs corporate tax rate cut from 35% to 21%, but it does ensure the biggest companies pay at least 15%. Not perfect, but a step in the right direction.
But if thatâs true and if more people believed that as you do, you should have easily won the election.
Elections arenât won on policy merits anymore (unfortunately). Theyâre won on emotion, propaganda, and increasingly, misinformation. Most voters canât even name what policies theyâre voting for. Plus, our system structurally advantages rural conservative voters through the Electoral College.
So how come the Democrats didnât work on that?
They have been. From campaign finance reform to voting rights, Democrats consistently push against a system rigged by gerrymandering, voter suppression, and dark money. All of which Republicans fight to preserve.
But Democrats have been in office for plenty of years. Why canât the just do the same things the Republicans do, but make it their agenda and get it done?
Because Democrats try to govern responsibly while Republicans obstruct then blame Democrats for not fixing the problems. Look at McConnell blocking Merrick Garland then ramming through Barrett. Look at Republicans tanking infrastructure bills under Obama then crying about crumbling bridges. The asymmetry is the point.
Youâre the one who bragged about your assets, then tried to pivot to wages when called out.
I wasnât bragging. Someone asked me about my âself-reliance bsâ and I explained to them how and why I think I live up to my version of that
The point is about systemic issues, not personal finances.
That Democrats still havenât fixed, despite all their years in power. And if Trump is doing such terrible thigns, then in 4 years, you all can change everything back the way you want it.
This doesnât fully reverse Trumpâs corporate tax rate cut from 35% to 21%, but it does ensure the biggest companies pay at least 15%. Not perfect, but a step in the right direction.
Great! Then again, in 4 years, you guys can get voted back in and fix all that. So there ya go!
Because Democrats try to govern responsibly while Republicans obstruct then blame Democrats for not fixing the problems.
But if that was such a great idea, they they should have won the election. So maybe thatâs now what people were wanting.
That Democrats still havenât fixed, despite all their years in power. And if Trump is doing such terrible thigns, then in 4 years, you all can change everything back the way you want it.
Classic bad faith argument. Youâre ignoring the structural hurdles I just explained about Manchin, Sinema, and GOP obstruction. As for âjust wait 4 yearsâ â thatâs exactly the problem. The damage Trump does in 4 years will take decades to fix. You canât just âchange everything backâ when youâve gutted regulatory agencies, stacked courts with ideologues, and sold off public resources to private interests.
Great! Then again, in 4 years, you guys can get voted back in and fix all that. So there ya go!
Notice how youâve completely abandoned defending Trumpâs policies on their merits? Youâre basically admitting theyâre harmful but saying âwho cares, we won.â This is exactly what I meant by âfuck you, I got mineâ politics. You donât care about making things better for everyone, just âwinning.â
But if that was such a great idea, they they should have won the election. So maybe thatâs now what people were wanting.
Again with this circular logic. Winning elections doesnât prove your policies are better for people â it proves your messaging resonated emotionally. Most Trump voters canât even name his specific policy positions beyond vague âmake America greatâ rhetoric.
Youâve consistently dodged every substantive point about actual policy impacts. Instead, you fall back on âwe won, so we must be rightâ â which is exactly the kind of shallow, tribal thinking thatâs destroying any hope of productive political discourse in this country.
Youâre ignoring the structural hurdles I just explained about Manchin, Sinema, and GOP obstruction
So how come the Democrats donât create that sort of âobstructionâ for the GOP?
The damage Trump did in 4 years will take decades to fix.
Seems like a better Dem presidential campaign should have fixed that. Seems like they may have failed you a bit in that respect.
Notice how youâve completely abandoned defending Trumpâs policies on their merits?
Iâm not a fucking political strategist with a degree in political science. I donât give a fuck. I like him. I like what heâs doing. And enough other people do, that they voted for him. Maybe take that into consideration
Instead, you fall back on âwe won, so we must be rightâ â which is exactly the kind of shallow, tribal thinking thatâs destroying any hope of productive political discourse in this country.
Says the guy who wants to turn a conservative community into a meme community and make fun of Republicans. So why would I take anything you are saying seriously? I mean, did making fun of republicans work for you all in the election?
All I see is you mocking people who donât agree with you or who you deem to be too stupid to make the right choices.
Iâve seen some democrat strategists stay that the Dem downfall started by not taking republican voters seriously, and indeed mocking them, as a strong root cause of why you lost.
So do you think advocating making fun of Republicans rather than strengthing democratic community building is the best way to go?
Get da fuckouttahere with your âOh youâre not having serious political discourseâ bs, when you have made it your mission to make fun of republicans in a conservative community.
Now just becaue I point that out, donât that you have really had a âgotchaâ moment with me. Because I donât really care THAT much.
In fact, I am exactly one of those who went by their gut, voted for Trump with glee just got get back and you all for mocking republicans.
Lemmy jerks making fun of every conservative was the in the forefront of my brain when I voted.
And no regrets at all. Iâm happy to see it all burn down and start from scratch.
Iâm not even a fucking republican. Iâm an anarchist.
So how come the Democrats donât create that sort of âobstructionâ for the GOP?
Democrats arenât saints, theyre imperfect allies at best But thereâs a fundamental difference in approach. ds generally try to govern and pass legislation, while McConnell openly declared his primary goal was blocking Obamaâs agenda. When Ds obstruct, itâs usually on specific harmful policies, not a total blanket refusal to let the other side accomplish anything. Thereâs a difference between principled opposition and sabotaging government function.
Seems like a better Dem presidential campaign should have fixed that. Seems like they may have failed you a bit in that respect.
Oh look, now youâre blaming Democrats for Republican destruction. Classic abuser logic: âWhy did you make me hurt you?â
Iâm not a fucking political strategist with a degree in political science. I donât give a fuck. I like him. I like what heâs doing. And enough other people do, that they voted for him. Maybe take that into consideration
Finally some honesty! âI donât give a fuck about policyâ - weâve reached the core of MAGA politics. You âlike what heâs doingâ but canât defend any of it on substance. Pure emotion and tribalism.
Says the guy who wants to turn a conservative community into a meme community and make fun of Republicans.
Everyone needs spaces to vent and joke. Conservatives have entire media empires dedicated to spreading their misinformation and conspiracy theories. Fox News, OAN, countless Facebook groups and Telegram channels, even Lemmy instances, yet youâre mad about some memes on Lemmy who hasnât even broken 50k MAUs?
Iâve seen some democrat strategists stay that the Dem downfall started by not taking republican voters seriously, and indeed mocking them, as a strong root cause of why you lost.
The idea that Democrats lost because we werenât nice enough to people actively supporting policies that harm vulnerable communities is laughable. âI voted to take away healthcare from millions because someone was mean to me onlineâ isnât the flex you think it is.
IN fact, I am exactly one of those who went by their gut, voted for Trump with glee just got get back and you all for mocking republicans.
So youâre admitting you voted to hurt people out of spite? And somehow weâre the bad guys for making memes?
Iâm not even a fucking republican. Iâm an anarchist.
No actual anarchist would support the most authoritarian president in modern history. Youâre not an anarchist; youâre just angry and nihilistic.
You all deserve Trump.
And there it is. The mask comes off. This was never about policy or principles. Itâs about hurting people you donât like. Thanks for finally being honest about it.
Finally some honesty! âI donât give a fuck about policyâ - weâve reached the core of MAGA politics.
so you think every fucking democrat on Lemmy is some political Philosophy input and is as fucking nerdy about politics as you are? Get the fuck outta here with that.
Again, a perfect example of why you all lost. You insist that everyone has to be at your level of intelligence or they are not worth anything.
Keep it up. Youâll lose the next election too. And Iâll laugh again.
Youâre not an anarchist; youâre just angry and nihilistic.
Iâm not angry at all. Iâm having a fucking great time. You are angry. Iâm not. At all.
And there it is. The mask comes off. Itâs about hurting people you donât like.
Guess Lemmy shouldnât be so quick to do jerky things like turn conservative communities into meme communites that make fun of conservatives.
How that work out in the last election?
I never wore a mask. I have no desire to hurt people. But I do love how shocked you all were that your holier-than-thou attitude didnât win any elections.
And hereâs the thing. I think you actually know a lot of it was how democrat attitudes are percieved. Like you said, elections are won just by policy. Itâs people skills.
Maybe all the fed people laid off can âlearn to code.â You all will totally help them out! No worries.
You fucking laugh and mock people who arenât in your little bubble. Now you can handle what the results of that is.
Rather than just wait/ask that a good conservative mod comes, you decide to mock conservatives. Just like what you are doing with this community.
I promise you this: Whether I am on Lemmy or not, banned or not, I will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democrat. Because of what I have seen on here. I would rather watch the world burn down and start from sticks and stones.
You specifically mock and make fun of people who arenât in your little circle. And take glee in the mocking.
YOU, yes, YOU deserve Trump. And I will fucking laugh about it every single day until Trump leaves office.
Nah, Iâm not mad. Iâm laughing and I feel like itâs totally just that you all got your asses handed to you.
so you think every fucking democrat on Lemmy is some political Philosophy input and is as fucking nerdy about politics as you are?
No, but most people who vote care about at least some policies that affect their lives. Youâve spent this entire conversation dodging every policy point while openly declaring vote purely based on spite. Huge difference.
You insist that everyone has to be at your level of intelligence or they are not worth anything.
Never said that. I said policy matters more than tribal politics. Youâre the one who keeps bringing up intelligence, which is telling. Nobody said you need a PHD level understanding of politics, just reading up on the policies themselves should not be that huge of an ask.
Iâm not angry at all. Iâm having a fucking great time.
Your all-caps rants, excessive swearing, and âI will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democratâ suggest otherwise. People having a great time donât usually type like theyâre screaming or have to constantly say âIâm not madâ who are you trying to convince?
Guess Lemmy shouldnât be so quick to do jerky things like turn conservative communities into meme communites that make fun of conservatives.
Youâre still hung up on a meme community while openly supporting politicians who are actively stripping rights from marginalized people. One of these things is not like the other.
Rather than just wait/ask that a good conservative mod comes, you decide to mock conservatives.
Thereâs a difference between mocking harmful ideas and mocking people. Conservative policies have real, harmful impacts on vulnerable communities. That deserves criticism, and memes are a form of criticism.
I would rather watch the world burn down and start from sticks and stones.
And there it is again. You claim you âhave no desire to hurt peopleâ then immediately say youâd rather see the world burn than vote for someone who might help others. The contradiction is stunning.
Your all-caps rants, excessive swearing, and âI will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democratâ suggest otherwise.
Nope. lol
Youâre still hung up on a meme community while openly supporting politicians who are actively stripping rights from marginalized people.
Not hung up on it all. Itâs just that it shows how much you arenât to be taken seriouslyâyou are just anti-republican, regardless of policy. You donât take me seriously and I certainly donât take you seriously.
Thereâs a difference between mocking harmful ideas and mocking people.
And you actually mock people.
Conservative policies have real, harmful impacts on vulnerable communities.
In your opinion. But you didnât win the election, so not everyone agrees with you.
There was a criticism of your actions not fitting the spirit of the community by you wanting to take it over. And you replied that there was no Lemmy rule that you had to follow the spirit of a community that you took over.
Which means that you have no intention on letting conservative voices be heard.
So following your logic, there is no Lemmy rule that I have to defend every news article I post. I post links to news articles. Nothing makes you click on them. I have every right to do it and I will continue to do it.
You lost. Thatâs it. Lemmyâs opinion isnât shared by the majority of the public.
You keep posting jokes, and Iâll keep posting articles. Letâs see which party wins the next election.
Not hung up on it all. Itâs just that it shows how much you arenât to be taken seriouslyâyou are just anti-republican, regardless of policy.
Iâve repeatedly tried to discuss specific policies throughout this entire conversation. Youâre the one who admitted âI donât give a fuckâ about policy and just âlike Trump.â The projection is astounding.
And you actually mock people.
Says the person whoâs spent this entire thread mocking âLemmy jerksâ and celebrating othersâ suffering.
In your opinion. But you didnât win the election, so not everyone agrees with you.
Electoral victory doesnât determine objective reality. Policies that remove healthcare, cut food assistance, and target marginalized groups cause measurable harm regardless of how many people voted for them. Thatâs not opinion its documented fact.
Which means that you have no intention on letting conservative voices be heard.
Conservative voices are heard everywhere Faux News, OAN, Congress, the White House, the Supreme Court, Truth Social. The idea that conservatives are being silenced while controlling most levels of government is absurd victimhood.
So following your logic, there is no Lemmy rule that I have to defend every news article I post.
Post whatever you want. Just donât be surprised when people call out misinformation or propaganda.
You lost. Thatâs it. Lemmyâs opinion isnât shared by the majority of the public.
You keep coming back to âyou lostâ like itâs some devastating gotcha. Electoral outcomes donât determine moral rightness. Segregation was once popular to.
You keep posting jokes, and Iâll keep posting articles. Letâs see which party wins the next election.
And there it is youâve reduced politics to a team sport (yet again) where âwinningâ matters more than the actual impact on peopleâs lives
Youâre the one who bragged about your assets, then tried to pivot to wages when called out. Iâm not playing this game of one-upmanship. The point is about systemic issues, not personal finances.
Again, missing the point entirely. Individual actions donât fix broken systems. Thatâs like saying âjust use less waterâ during a drought while corporations drain aquifers. We need collective action and policy change, not performative personal sacrifice.
Democrats had a razor-thin majority with Manchin and Sinema blocking major reform. Despite that, the Inflation Reduction Act implemented a 15% corporate minimum tax for large corporations and a 1% tax on stock buybacks. This doesnât fully reverse Trumpâs corporate tax rate cut from 35% to 21%, but it does ensure the biggest companies pay at least 15%. Not perfect, but a step in the right direction.
Elections arenât won on policy merits anymore (unfortunately). Theyâre won on emotion, propaganda, and increasingly, misinformation. Most voters canât even name what policies theyâre voting for. Plus, our system structurally advantages rural conservative voters through the Electoral College.
They have been. From campaign finance reform to voting rights, Democrats consistently push against a system rigged by gerrymandering, voter suppression, and dark money. All of which Republicans fight to preserve.
Because Democrats try to govern responsibly while Republicans obstruct then blame Democrats for not fixing the problems. Look at McConnell blocking Merrick Garland then ramming through Barrett. Look at Republicans tanking infrastructure bills under Obama then crying about crumbling bridges. The asymmetry is the point.
I wasnât bragging. Someone asked me about my âself-reliance bsâ and I explained to them how and why I think I live up to my version of that
That Democrats still havenât fixed, despite all their years in power. And if Trump is doing such terrible thigns, then in 4 years, you all can change everything back the way you want it.
Great! Then again, in 4 years, you guys can get voted back in and fix all that. So there ya go!
But if that was such a great idea, they they should have won the election. So maybe thatâs now what people were wanting.
Classic bad faith argument. Youâre ignoring the structural hurdles I just explained about Manchin, Sinema, and GOP obstruction. As for âjust wait 4 yearsâ â thatâs exactly the problem. The damage Trump does in 4 years will take decades to fix. You canât just âchange everything backâ when youâve gutted regulatory agencies, stacked courts with ideologues, and sold off public resources to private interests.
Notice how youâve completely abandoned defending Trumpâs policies on their merits? Youâre basically admitting theyâre harmful but saying âwho cares, we won.â This is exactly what I meant by âfuck you, I got mineâ politics. You donât care about making things better for everyone, just âwinning.â
Again with this circular logic. Winning elections doesnât prove your policies are better for people â it proves your messaging resonated emotionally. Most Trump voters canât even name his specific policy positions beyond vague âmake America greatâ rhetoric.
Youâve consistently dodged every substantive point about actual policy impacts. Instead, you fall back on âwe won, so we must be rightâ â which is exactly the kind of shallow, tribal thinking thatâs destroying any hope of productive political discourse in this country.
So how come the Democrats donât create that sort of âobstructionâ for the GOP?
Seems like a better Dem presidential campaign should have fixed that. Seems like they may have failed you a bit in that respect.
Iâm not a fucking political strategist with a degree in political science. I donât give a fuck. I like him. I like what heâs doing. And enough other people do, that they voted for him. Maybe take that into consideration
Says the guy who wants to turn a conservative community into a meme community and make fun of Republicans. So why would I take anything you are saying seriously? I mean, did making fun of republicans work for you all in the election?
All I see is you mocking people who donât agree with you or who you deem to be too stupid to make the right choices.
Iâve seen some democrat strategists stay that the Dem downfall started by not taking republican voters seriously, and indeed mocking them, as a strong root cause of why you lost.
So do you think advocating making fun of Republicans rather than strengthing democratic community building is the best way to go?
Get da fuckouttahere with your âOh youâre not having serious political discourseâ bs, when you have made it your mission to make fun of republicans in a conservative community.
Now just becaue I point that out, donât that you have really had a âgotchaâ moment with me. Because I donât really care THAT much.
In fact, I am exactly one of those who went by their gut, voted for Trump with glee just got get back and you all for mocking republicans.
Lemmy jerks making fun of every conservative was the in the forefront of my brain when I voted.
And no regrets at all. Iâm happy to see it all burn down and start from scratch.
Iâm not even a fucking republican. Iâm an anarchist.
You all deserve Trump.
Democrats arenât saints, theyre imperfect allies at best But thereâs a fundamental difference in approach. ds generally try to govern and pass legislation, while McConnell openly declared his primary goal was blocking Obamaâs agenda. When Ds obstruct, itâs usually on specific harmful policies, not a total blanket refusal to let the other side accomplish anything. Thereâs a difference between principled opposition and sabotaging government function.
Oh look, now youâre blaming Democrats for Republican destruction. Classic abuser logic: âWhy did you make me hurt you?â
Finally some honesty! âI donât give a fuck about policyâ - weâve reached the core of MAGA politics. You âlike what heâs doingâ but canât defend any of it on substance. Pure emotion and tribalism.
Everyone needs spaces to vent and joke. Conservatives have entire media empires dedicated to spreading their misinformation and conspiracy theories. Fox News, OAN, countless Facebook groups and Telegram channels, even Lemmy instances, yet youâre mad about some memes on Lemmy who hasnât even broken 50k MAUs?
The idea that Democrats lost because we werenât nice enough to people actively supporting policies that harm vulnerable communities is laughable. âI voted to take away healthcare from millions because someone was mean to me onlineâ isnât the flex you think it is.
So youâre admitting you voted to hurt people out of spite? And somehow weâre the bad guys for making memes?
No actual anarchist would support the most authoritarian president in modern history. Youâre not an anarchist; youâre just angry and nihilistic.
And there it is. The mask comes off. This was never about policy or principles. Itâs about hurting people you donât like. Thanks for finally being honest about it.
so you think every fucking democrat on Lemmy is some political Philosophy input and is as fucking nerdy about politics as you are? Get the fuck outta here with that.
Again, a perfect example of why you all lost. You insist that everyone has to be at your level of intelligence or they are not worth anything.
Keep it up. Youâll lose the next election too. And Iâll laugh again.
Iâm not angry at all. Iâm having a fucking great time. You are angry. Iâm not. At all.
Guess Lemmy shouldnât be so quick to do jerky things like turn conservative communities into meme communites that make fun of conservatives.
How that work out in the last election?
I never wore a mask. I have no desire to hurt people. But I do love how shocked you all were that your holier-than-thou attitude didnât win any elections.
And hereâs the thing. I think you actually know a lot of it was how democrat attitudes are percieved. Like you said, elections are won just by policy. Itâs people skills.
Maybe all the fed people laid off can âlearn to code.â You all will totally help them out! No worries.
You fucking laugh and mock people who arenât in your little bubble. Now you can handle what the results of that is.
Rather than just wait/ask that a good conservative mod comes, you decide to mock conservatives. Just like what you are doing with this community.
I promise you this: Whether I am on Lemmy or not, banned or not, I will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democrat. Because of what I have seen on here. I would rather watch the world burn down and start from sticks and stones.
You specifically mock and make fun of people who arenât in your little circle. And take glee in the mocking.
YOU, yes, YOU deserve Trump. And I will fucking laugh about it every single day until Trump leaves office.
Nah, Iâm not mad. Iâm laughing and I feel like itâs totally just that you all got your asses handed to you.
No, but most people who vote care about at least some policies that affect their lives. Youâve spent this entire conversation dodging every policy point while openly declaring vote purely based on spite. Huge difference.
Never said that. I said policy matters more than tribal politics. Youâre the one who keeps bringing up intelligence, which is telling. Nobody said you need a PHD level understanding of politics, just reading up on the policies themselves should not be that huge of an ask.
Your all-caps rants, excessive swearing, and âI will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democratâ suggest otherwise. People having a great time donât usually type like theyâre screaming or have to constantly say âIâm not madâ who are you trying to convince?
Youâre still hung up on a meme community while openly supporting politicians who are actively stripping rights from marginalized people. One of these things is not like the other.
Thereâs a difference between mocking harmful ideas and mocking people. Conservative policies have real, harmful impacts on vulnerable communities. That deserves criticism, and memes are a form of criticism.
And there it is again. You claim you âhave no desire to hurt peopleâ then immediately say youâd rather see the world burn than vote for someone who might help others. The contradiction is stunning.
Nope. lol
Not hung up on it all. Itâs just that it shows how much you arenât to be taken seriouslyâyou are just anti-republican, regardless of policy. You donât take me seriously and I certainly donât take you seriously.
And you actually mock people.
In your opinion. But you didnât win the election, so not everyone agrees with you.
There was a criticism of your actions not fitting the spirit of the community by you wanting to take it over. And you replied that there was no Lemmy rule that you had to follow the spirit of a community that you took over.
Which means that you have no intention on letting conservative voices be heard.
So following your logic, there is no Lemmy rule that I have to defend every news article I post. I post links to news articles. Nothing makes you click on them. I have every right to do it and I will continue to do it.
You lost. Thatâs it. Lemmyâs opinion isnât shared by the majority of the public.
You keep posting jokes, and Iâll keep posting articles. Letâs see which party wins the next election.
Great counterargument. Very convincing.
Iâve repeatedly tried to discuss specific policies throughout this entire conversation. Youâre the one who admitted âI donât give a fuckâ about policy and just âlike Trump.â The projection is astounding.
Says the person whoâs spent this entire thread mocking âLemmy jerksâ and celebrating othersâ suffering.
Electoral victory doesnât determine objective reality. Policies that remove healthcare, cut food assistance, and target marginalized groups cause measurable harm regardless of how many people voted for them. Thatâs not opinion its documented fact.
Conservative voices are heard everywhere Faux News, OAN, Congress, the White House, the Supreme Court, Truth Social. The idea that conservatives are being silenced while controlling most levels of government is absurd victimhood.
Post whatever you want. Just donât be surprised when people call out misinformation or propaganda.
You keep coming back to âyou lostâ like itâs some devastating gotcha. Electoral outcomes donât determine moral rightness. Segregation was once popular to.
And there it is youâve reduced politics to a team sport (yet again) where âwinningâ matters more than the actual impact on peopleâs lives