• RedSnt 👓♂️🖥️@feddit.dk
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    It’s sad, but for studies that don’t result in income for the government, they’re just not interested in funding it. You wanna know about philosophy? Tough shit. We need more people for the fulfillment centers, you better get good at holding in your pee.

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      Well said. If they did, they wouldn’t really be humane. Allowing unnecessary suffering is inhumane.

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      Though the character of Indiana Jones or Harrison Ford as a person aren’t really worth to aspire to. Sure, the nazi punching part is great but being a sexist piece of shit isn’t…

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        okay, so, ford I get, but jones was, for a 1930s guy, slightly above average. today he’s the equivalent of a guy who maybe was into jordan peterson a decade ago but thinks this andrew tate shit is fucked and maybe we should treat women like people in theory, but kind of fucks it on the execution, and doesn’t get mad when you call him out on it, but doesn’t quite fix it either. then goes and takes out his frustration on a nazi’s face.

        and I’ll put up with a LOT of misogyny to get some nazis punched.

        edit: honestly, shitty incel dudes? you can paper over a lot of being “low value” and “creepy” with a wall full of flayed nazi tattoos. I’m not even straight and I’d consider it with enough of them.

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          Why do you choose to see Jones in the context of the 1930s? It is a character based on the values of the 80s and onward. On top of being misogynistic, the character of Indiana Jones is also being the white hero playing into many racist tropes. So using Jones as this Nazi fighting hero doesn’t work even on the most basic level. Again, I’m all for punching Nazis, but we should choose better heroes or even better: no heroes at all!

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            I’m pretty sure they were based on books. I could be wrong.

            problematic is not the same as nazi. as demonstrated by many of our (great) grandfathers, who killed a whole buncha nazis, and generally believed killing nazis was cool and good, but were still massively racist homophobic transphobic misogynist assholes. again, you can call me whatever slurs you want, as long as you’re shooting nazis in the head while you do.

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              Indiana Jones is an original character from the movies. That said, he’s certainly based on adventure fiction and movies from the 30’s that inspired Spielberg.

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    Got perm banned from Reddit because I said all Nazis can go kill themselves. Worth it

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      I see this comment a lot on Lemmy and it’s disturbing. I too was perma banned for telling a Nazi to “go to hell”. 10 year old account with no prior bans.

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        Welcome to the club. 12 year account for me, I told off some mysgonistic redpiller who called another user a slur, I quoted the slur so he couldn’t edit, told him to go fuck himself with a telephone pole, the kind with all the nails from years of posters being posted on it, and then reported him.

        Mods banned me for “incivility and using a gendered slur,” took no action on the other user, I appealed it, they acted like pubescent fucksticks, so to keep talking to people I knew in that community I made a new account, then admins perma-IP-banned me for ban evasion.

        I’ve been fighting this so long that I’m now instantly shadowbanned across all of youtube, google and reddit every time I make a new account. They’ve gotten very good at silencing users so that their bot-army can simulate human society and adjust our narratives at will. (Yes, google and reddit work together to produce AI bots, they announced it a while back, nobody paid attention.)

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      see, that’s an untrue statement; I’m sure some are in comas or whatever and might need our help. maybe be less ableist next time and you won’t get banned.

      I, personally, am willing to help any nazi kill themselves; they only need to ask. because I’m not a bigot.

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    I say we normalize this

    “Hi, I’m here to punch Nazis and get and an oil change”

    Make everyone declare they have no Nazis before you get into business

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      The dairy company Arla would be in trouble if they had to do this :D

      Arla Finland has one of the few most prominent nazis in Finland in their board of directors. There was a bit of a scandal because of this about a year or two ago, but Arla’s Finnish daughter company said “we already know, but he has promised not to be a nazi during working hours, and it’s every employee’s personal choice what they do in their free time.” And Finland was okay with that (!!)

      Guess if I have bought their products even once after that? 🙃

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        Well in that case, I suggest you show up and demand they submit their Nazi for punching so you can buy milk from them

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    What if they cut the funding so that people spend their time punching other people?

    To me, it seems like a Luke and the emperor scene. They want the hate.

    Humanities don’t need funding for expensive laboratories. What’s holding back people from making their own college?

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      Humanities don’t need funding for expensive laboratories

      i suppose so as long as all your humanities knowledge is already solved with no need to travel to new places, study new locations, or talk to new people

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        According to wikipedia, humanities neither include archeology nor sociology:

        The humanities include the academic study of philosophy, religion, history, language arts (literature, writing, oratory, rhetoric, poetry, etc.), the performing arts (theater, music, dance, etc.), and the visual arts (painting, sculpture, photography, filmmaking, etc.)

        There is no need to travel. The people who research are either there or can be reached via internet.

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          the pama-nyungan language family is indigenous to Australia and all the languages in that umbrella are either endangered or extrinct already.

          pick one:

          a) it is already safely and thoroughly catalogued or reachable via the Internet

          b) there’s already enough embedded researchers in indigenous Australian communities to study these endangered languages

          c) it’s not humanities for some reason

          d) probably should spend some money getting more students and professors out there to study it

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            It’s difficult to not get snarky. You obviously have studied but you argue against my position that humanities with limited funding is possible with the demand that a new university must be able to fund nieche topics. How is that necessary?

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      it seems like that scene from the end of ‘return of the jedi’ where

      no. please shut the fuck up. so, first, that’s a pseudophilosophical hollywood bastardization of a misunderstanding of a whole big complex philosophical system (actually a couple sorta related ones that were just sorta lumped together, because orientalism), via americanized christianity. you understand no part of that. try studying the humanities. please. you need that almost as badly as you need to punch a nazi. feel free to do it while cackling with glee instead of hate, if that’s what floats your boat.

      fascism is just hate

      no. fascism is fleeing reality for a solipsistic fantasy with a blindness powered by feeling persecuted and the thrill of victory. there’s a reason nazis like cocaine and meth so much; it’s basically the healthier version of what they believe in chemical form. but it’s more than that, because they have to flatten the territory to match their incredibly shitty map.

      again; please study the humanities. or at least the places where they meet up with STEM and the sex parties get real weird. as soon as you’re done punching nazis. which, again, really really desperately needs doing. and I say punch, but I don’t actually super care if you punch any nazis, I don’t think punching nazis will fix anything.

      punching, in this text, is a metaphor for shooting.

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        My point is not that fascism is just hate. I am sure you understood it though because you made your position clear.

        Still I am intrigued to read more about your theories. That STEM and humanities meetup or the complex philosophical system that I don’t understand, could you give me a hint on where to start digging?

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          I’m kind of afraid to tell you because you’ll think you understand what the hell you’re talking about after a one hour documentary, like you thought you understood morality generally after the six hours of watching space wizards swing laser swords in each other’s general direction, but the dharmic religions, fuzzy taoism (that’s a whole thing) and bushido-which is mostly separate and kinda based on one guy who was as good at murder as he was bad at skin care. which I think makes me reverse miyamoto musashi.

          and there are all sorts of places where they meet. my fav example of it is the old command and control/systems/cybernetics theory, where you had margaret mead(big 20th cultural anthropologist) and john von neumann(pure math guy) at the same conference. you get some in psychopharmacology but we don’t really study that at all scientifically so there’s not a lot there.

          again, you don’t have any grasp on what you’re talking about for the first twenty hours. i promise. and if you think you have it figured out at 20 hours, you’re still probably wrong. there are monks that dedicate their lives to understanding this shit. you do not.

          if you want the more western friendly version of bhuddism, try neitzsche, but he was deliberately abstruse specifically so dumb fucks wouldn’t think they understood his shit and misconstrue what he was saying. it didn’t work, but it did create a high barrier to entry. maybe that would be a good place to start.

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            Thanks a lot. By chance, do you know a lemmy channel where content in that area is posted?

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              please don’t try to learn this on social media. read an actual long-form book. you will not understand this based on social media interactions; I promise you. social media is not for learning beyond the most shallow surface information. it’s for light dopamine release and doom scrolling while you get your mind shredded by influence ops from all (but mostly fasch) directions and indulge your worst mental illnesses.

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                Exactly.

                I will look into that Nietzsche though.

                Almost funny that you suggest him while he was instrumentalized by the fascists as a fascist.

                It’s still strange that you stress punching nazis while you have a deeper understanding of their mentality. Don’t people fall back to group strength when they feel vulnerable themselves? Punching Nazis will confirm that vulnerability.

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                  he was instrumentalized by nazis because he used one word they liked, and had vibes they wanted to appropriate, and knew their people wouldn’t actually read it-except his sister/editor, who absolutely became a nazi a couple decades after his death, as soon as that was a thing that you could be. he actually explicitly dismissed the underlying (and extremely silly) basis of the master race thing in one of his books, despite dying in the year 1900. basically saying ‘your virtue comes not from your ancestry, not from the past, but by working your ass off to build and become more than you were. don’t be a little bitch who hides in other peoples accomplishments, real or imagined.’ the phrasing in the translation I read was something like ‘we are the hyperboreans, you and I, reader, who endeavor to somethingorother’ and it would take so much education on popular batshit 19th century estoteric racist cope to explain that one line to you, like one of those weird references in a jane austen novel that you need to either be of the time or a historian or a complete no-life nerd to get, and it’s absolutely not worth it unless you like learning about just how dumb europeans were at the time, but it is also explicitly the basis of the whole ‘aryan master race’ thing, which he explicitly calls bullshit on decades before the concept of fascism, or the war that birthed it, was a glimmer in d’anunzio’s eye, by saying that, basically, you get cool new stuff with hard work and intellectual courage, not jacking off to your grandpa’s high school photos. I think it’s in either “beyond good and evil” or “the antichrist” (neitzsche was not a fan of blood cults) if you want to read more. he WAS a 19th century elitist painfully german asshole, and he does explicitly state that he’s hard to read on purpose. so take what he says with some salt, but there’s good stuff in there.

                  it’s part of how fascists consume information. you skim and look for the stuff that confirms what you already believe, no matter how much you need to contort cherry pick or cut out whole paragraphs between words or just totally misremember stuff. it’s solipsistic as fuck. by design, if you’ve ever read the shitty book the german government put hitler up in a castle to write.

                  the punching in this context is a metaphor for shooting, as I said. it’s a whole identity thing about being the winners. I’m personally of the opinion that leaving ugly survivors is better than clean corpses, but I think enough of either would do the trick, and I’m not sure which is easier, being, as I concluded earlier today, reverse miyamoto musashi-bad at violence, great at skin care.

                  sure, you could try appeasing them, or soft approaches, but they’ve hit a critical mass where, if that were ever possible, it certainly no longer is. they need to be killed. they are solipsists, they have no concept of truth, and they don’t see you as human. they have made themselves into subhuman things that cannot be reasoned with, because they have no more reason. they cannot be negotiated with, because they do not live in the same reality as you. they cannot even be held to a treaty, because they do not have a conception of ‘truth’ or you-as-person; it does not and can not exist in their totalizing world view, which is hostile to contradictory information. it’s kind of terrifying that a person can become so entirely not a person anymore without substantial damage to bodily function. if you want to understand fascism, there are several scholars to start on. arendt is a popular one, if you don’t want to get too commie (and if you do, you already have favorites). if you want something absolutely shitlib friendly, ecco isn’t completely wrong even if he has to avoid describing a lot of it so he doesn’t have to look in any mirrors, but please read more than his 14 points.

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              this is literally a response to someone who said hating nazis was bad because they saw a movie about cyborg ninja alien space wizard samurai with laser swords shooting lightning at each other.

              so, like, some compensation is definitely warranted. remains to be seen if I overshot.