Joe really knew how to handle trump. When trump yapped and yapped, Joe basically just went “dang man, can you shut the fuck UP” and it worked for a term 🙏
Sure, but his brain was soup by 2024. That’s kinda the main reason people are pissed with the Dems, because they hid this until Joe shit the bed for millions to see — during a debate, no less.
Kamala’s campaign was mostly failed by bad advisors: Clinton staffers and James Carville types who hadn’t won an election in 20 years, they were the ones who made them triangulate, not break from Biden on policy, and even move to the “middle” by getting the Cheneys to tour with them. They retreated the “weird” attack and “we’re not going back” slogan, even as people kept using the former online and chanting the latter at rallies.
They ratfucked her campaign about as hard as Trump is now ratfucking the country.
Its the people dude. People ratfucked the country. Not the candidates, not the advisors, not the campaigns, not Biden, not kamala, not DNC. They all did a decent job considering the circumstances they were in. They all reacted the best they could in an unprecedented scenario of a braindead zombie electorate. Its amazing people still can’t be bothered with this simple fact.
Harris would have been a strong candidate in any other epoch in American history.
What’s changed is the average median voter’s attention-span and engagement in politics. Exit polling showed most Trump voters were stuck on the price of groceries, which they blamed on Biden, and they thought Harris was just more Biden.
At other periods in history, I think voters would have understood what was at stake, who was responsible for what, and would have been just generally a little more connected and involved. 45% of eligible voters stayed home. And I honestly don’t know if it would have mattered if they voted, because people were voting almost at random this last election cycle. Lifelong dems through to Bernie supporters all voting for Trump because “what the hell, why not see what happens” because they’re so checked out, bored and disconnected from their larger community.
A good glimpse into our collective psyche can be seen in any major news outlet’s science headlines every fucking day. “Scientists baffled at HUGE discovery of ancient structures on Mars! Unknown signals from Venus confirm scientist’s worst fears! Giant eyeball planet found in space! Pyramids found to be generators for lost civilization!!!111”
These are all actual headlines from CNN, MSNBC and FOX. This is where the BULK of our society gets their information on the world around them. It doesn’t matter if you care about science or not, the fact that the sources for ANY kind of accurate reporting have thrown in the towel and no longer give a shit about journalism says as much about the state of our countrymen and women as it does about the sorry state of media and journalism. Nobody cares anymore. Nobody knows what’s real or not, so they just tune out and have been encouraged broadly to just “believe what makes you feel good.”
You’re right. Harris would have likely won in 2016. Now everyone’s brain is soup from all the mental masturbation caused by the sloppification of media. The tabloids won, in a spiritual sense. Feels like we’re in a death cult, or at least that life is a lot cheaper. All the stable democracies on the verge of electing far right psychos, won’t be long before we start fighting each other like the good ol’ days — and the people will cheer for carnage just to feel something again.
You’re also right, something has changed. I’m old enough to have seen it on a much larger scale than most who use these sites. I remember before the internet, people were engaged and focused on issues, families gathered around the nightly news and presidential debates and then discussed them with their peers.
What we’re seeing now is the result of America (and other nations) opening up an unchecked access-point for enemies, foreign and domestic, to subvert our very identity as a people. They (being a mixture of forces who want to slice off a piece of America’s pie) used the KGB handbook word-for-word for years to amplify both sides of every discussion, every social issue and every political debate to absurd levels. Online allowed this to happen without any resistance and it’s so easy to do that with a tiny amount of funding anyone can set it in action. There is no point or goal other than making online discourse so incredibly vitriolic, absurd, unreal, and disconnected from reality that people gradually tune out and stop caring about the actual issues that impact us all.
You saw this happen slowly and ramp up in the last several years, so we now have a population who do not trust science, do not trust their political representatives, they do not trust what they see online, they don’t trust what they see on television, and they don’t trust their neighbors. While at the same time, feeling that it’s so inconsequential that there’s no point in being involved anyway. If everything is bullshit and nonsense, why not just watch the latest Netflix series, browse facebook and laugh at everyone you don’t agree with and go to bed.
Nobody wants to be a candidate for the left. Have you seen what we do to people we like. I’ve seen people here calling Jon Stewart a fascist. We cook our own alive. Republicans have files on every possible candidate. We have no loyalty. Imagine a hockey team where every player physically and verbally abuses every coach they get. At some point nobody wants to coach your team
Damn right we aren’t loyal to politicians. Are you looking for a leftist Trump? Jon Stewart is not the “left” so I’m not sure why you’re mentioning him at all.
The left is not looking for a coach. We are hiring an employee.
Honestly? They are. America is so right-wing that “The Left” encompasses a wide spectrum of ideologies that would all have their own political parties in Europe. Socialists have as much in common with liberals as liberals do with centrists, yet the Dems expect the first two to vote for them while they try to court the conservative leaning side of the centrists.
And this is why we’re never going to win. You’re not even playing the game. You’re preaching on a pedestal of quick sand. Trying to yell how morally better you are while your sinking is a bad position to be in. Maybe the reason why fascists win is because the opposition continues to act like they’re better when you need to break free of your base instinct. Like ants in a death spiral. We all circle tighter and tighter into our groups defensively.
A big part of why they’re winning in my opinion is not their appeal but a rejection of the left. And it’s becoming clear that maybe that’s a smart choice given that the left can’t accomplish anything.
No it isn’t. Show me an example where the left has won recently?
If the amount of ground lost in the past 10 years isn’t a wake up call then you all deserve it. You all keep calling everyone dumb while you’re being beat and you refuse to recognize it. You’re not losing because they’re just good at things. You’re losing because you are the dumb ones.
Hey, how about run better candidates? You’d think losing to the worst human being in existence would suggest trying something new.
Yeah it is the candidates that were the problem, sure lol
Hey, Trump may be shipping Americans to El Salvador, but worst human being in existence is a bit of a stretch.
After all, Obama ate a hot dog with Dijon fucking mustard.
Don’t forget that time he wore a tan suit! Or when he didn’t wear an American flag pin that one time. What a commie.
He then showed his true colors, just how much he despises the hard working American people and how badly he wants to live in Versailles
Nah let’s swipe Jeb Bush from the GOP
I’m sorry, but this era of old white men has got to stop.
Liz Cheney. It’s her turn.
She was a dynamite running partner for Harris
Joe really knew how to handle trump. When trump yapped and yapped, Joe basically just went “dang man, can you shut the fuck UP” and it worked for a term 🙏
And then came Kamala
Sure, but his brain was soup by 2024. That’s kinda the main reason people are pissed with the Dems, because they hid this until Joe shit the bed for millions to see — during a debate, no less.
Kamala’s campaign was mostly failed by bad advisors: Clinton staffers and James Carville types who hadn’t won an election in 20 years, they were the ones who made them triangulate, not break from Biden on policy, and even move to the “middle” by getting the Cheneys to tour with them. They retreated the “weird” attack and “we’re not going back” slogan, even as people kept using the former online and chanting the latter at rallies.
They ratfucked her campaign about as hard as Trump is now ratfucking the country.
Its the people dude. People ratfucked the country. Not the candidates, not the advisors, not the campaigns, not Biden, not kamala, not DNC. They all did a decent job considering the circumstances they were in. They all reacted the best they could in an unprecedented scenario of a braindead zombie electorate. Its amazing people still can’t be bothered with this simple fact.
Harris would have been a strong candidate in any other epoch in American history.
What’s changed is the average median voter’s attention-span and engagement in politics. Exit polling showed most Trump voters were stuck on the price of groceries, which they blamed on Biden, and they thought Harris was just more Biden.
At other periods in history, I think voters would have understood what was at stake, who was responsible for what, and would have been just generally a little more connected and involved. 45% of eligible voters stayed home. And I honestly don’t know if it would have mattered if they voted, because people were voting almost at random this last election cycle. Lifelong dems through to Bernie supporters all voting for Trump because “what the hell, why not see what happens” because they’re so checked out, bored and disconnected from their larger community.
A good glimpse into our collective psyche can be seen in any major news outlet’s science headlines every fucking day. “Scientists baffled at HUGE discovery of ancient structures on Mars! Unknown signals from Venus confirm scientist’s worst fears! Giant eyeball planet found in space! Pyramids found to be generators for lost civilization!!!111”
These are all actual headlines from CNN, MSNBC and FOX. This is where the BULK of our society gets their information on the world around them. It doesn’t matter if you care about science or not, the fact that the sources for ANY kind of accurate reporting have thrown in the towel and no longer give a shit about journalism says as much about the state of our countrymen and women as it does about the sorry state of media and journalism. Nobody cares anymore. Nobody knows what’s real or not, so they just tune out and have been encouraged broadly to just “believe what makes you feel good.”
You’re right. Harris would have likely won in 2016. Now everyone’s brain is soup from all the mental masturbation caused by the sloppification of media. The tabloids won, in a spiritual sense. Feels like we’re in a death cult, or at least that life is a lot cheaper. All the stable democracies on the verge of electing far right psychos, won’t be long before we start fighting each other like the good ol’ days — and the people will cheer for carnage just to feel something again.
You’re also right, something has changed. I’m old enough to have seen it on a much larger scale than most who use these sites. I remember before the internet, people were engaged and focused on issues, families gathered around the nightly news and presidential debates and then discussed them with their peers.
What we’re seeing now is the result of America (and other nations) opening up an unchecked access-point for enemies, foreign and domestic, to subvert our very identity as a people. They (being a mixture of forces who want to slice off a piece of America’s pie) used the KGB handbook word-for-word for years to amplify both sides of every discussion, every social issue and every political debate to absurd levels. Online allowed this to happen without any resistance and it’s so easy to do that with a tiny amount of funding anyone can set it in action. There is no point or goal other than making online discourse so incredibly vitriolic, absurd, unreal, and disconnected from reality that people gradually tune out and stop caring about the actual issues that impact us all.
You saw this happen slowly and ramp up in the last several years, so we now have a population who do not trust science, do not trust their political representatives, they do not trust what they see online, they don’t trust what they see on television, and they don’t trust their neighbors. While at the same time, feeling that it’s so inconsequential that there’s no point in being involved anyway. If everything is bullshit and nonsense, why not just watch the latest Netflix series, browse facebook and laugh at everyone you don’t agree with and go to bed.
The carnage is all people tune in for.
Nobody wants to be a candidate for the left. Have you seen what we do to people we like. I’ve seen people here calling Jon Stewart a fascist. We cook our own alive. Republicans have files on every possible candidate. We have no loyalty. Imagine a hockey team where every player physically and verbally abuses every coach they get. At some point nobody wants to coach your team
Damn right we aren’t loyal to politicians. Are you looking for a leftist Trump? Jon Stewart is not the “left” so I’m not sure why you’re mentioning him at all.
The left is not looking for a coach. We are hiring an employee.
I think what they mean is we’re hiring an employee, but everyone doing the interviews believes themselves working at a different company.
Honestly? They are. America is so right-wing that “The Left” encompasses a wide spectrum of ideologies that would all have their own political parties in Europe. Socialists have as much in common with liberals as liberals do with centrists, yet the Dems expect the first two to vote for them while they try to court the conservative leaning side of the centrists.
And this is why we’re never going to win. You’re not even playing the game. You’re preaching on a pedestal of quick sand. Trying to yell how morally better you are while your sinking is a bad position to be in. Maybe the reason why fascists win is because the opposition continues to act like they’re better when you need to break free of your base instinct. Like ants in a death spiral. We all circle tighter and tighter into our groups defensively.
A big part of why they’re winning in my opinion is not their appeal but a rejection of the left. And it’s becoming clear that maybe that’s a smart choice given that the left can’t accomplish anything.
Your opinion is dumb and you should feel bad.
No it isn’t. Show me an example where the left has won recently? If the amount of ground lost in the past 10 years isn’t a wake up call then you all deserve it. You all keep calling everyone dumb while you’re being beat and you refuse to recognize it. You’re not losing because they’re just good at things. You’re losing because you are the dumb ones.