• davel@lemmy.ml
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    The unnamed U.S. lawmakers

    The Kyiv Independent (despite NATO Bias/Fact Check’s opinion) is not a reliable outlet, so I’d take this with a grain of salt. This might be an effort to shift blame away from local government. But that doesn’t really matter, what matters is that the net for the meat grinder will be cast wider.

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    So, Zelensky started with turning Ukraine into a mass prison on 24.02.2022.
    Then busification (kidnapping people on the streets and murdering them by sending them to the meat grinder) of men aged 27-60 started soon after.
    Then, in April 2024, Zelensky’s meat grinder was expanded to men aged 25-27.
    Now, Zelensky will probably start murdering men aged 18-25 as well (and not just “supported” by the west, not even “encouraged”, now it’s “pressured”).

    What line should Zelensky cross for you to admit he is genociding Ukrainians? Should he start kidnapping teenagers as well? Should he start kidnapping women? Or would it be ok as well?.. (btw both kidnapping teenagers and women already happened, it’s just that for now “recruitment officers” let them go after they discover their mistake)

    And remeber folks, “till the last Ukrainian” is propaganda spread by Russian bots and tankies, it has nothing in common with reality.

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        Zelensky didn’t choose to be invaded. Wtf are you on about

        Even assuming that this is true - I didn’t say that he did.
        What he did choose to do though - was turning country into a mass prison and kidnapping people on the streets and sending them into the meat ginder (so, murdering them).

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            Except Putin is actually doing those things. Ukraine has a draft, which is not great, but isn’t kidnapping people off the streets. That’s completely disingenuous at best.

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              The Kyiv regime most definitely kidnaps people on the streets. Wherever they can find them, really. It’s conscription.

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              The number of people having no idea what’s going on is too damn high. This has been reported by many mainstream Western media outlets for months.

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              Ukraine has a draft, which is not great, but isn’t kidnapping people off the streets. That’s completely disingenuous at best.

              Yeah, Zelensky’s regime definitely doesn’t kidnap people off the streets. There are no masked people hunting people on the streets and putting them into vans without plates. Videos about that happening almost every day, especially so in last week are all fakes and Russian propaganda (even when Ukrainian sources write about it).

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                There are no masked people hunting people on the streets and putting them into vans without plates. Videos about that happening almost every day, especially so in last week are all fakes and Russian propaganda (even when Ukrainian sources write about it).

                The source you linked doesn’t support your claims at all.

                Some people got arrested relating to not following the law relating to the draft. Yes, that’s terrifying. It’s still not even remotely close to what you are claiming.

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            Yeah, I guess you’re actually right about that, when you look at what Zelensky does to Ukrainians - it indeed sounds quite similar to the western propaganda about what Putin/Russia does…