Jesus christ go back to Gab

It’s relatively normal in countries that still have conscription, if you don’t serve and don’t get an exception, you go to jail, otherwise what is the point of conscription vs just making it voluntary. The more damaging thing for these teens will be the social and career repercussions they face for refusing to serve, they will be barred from many lucrative jobs that will automatically filter out people who refused to serve, etc.

I can’t recall any stories of any objectors enduring anything particularly bad, maybe it would get worse if more people started doing it, barely anyone rejects their service, even during active moments of conflict

That, as I stated before, is not the title. It is the title YOU gave the post.

When you post an article into lemmy, it will grab a title that was specified in a field by the article, this was the title it grabbed, YOU can test this out for youself by creating a post with the same link, I DID NOT create the title, it was automatically fetched by lemmy, which means at some point in time this article had this title.

I don’t disagree it is primarily the companies faults for accepting minerals mined from places where they shouldn’t be. If the mining company couldn’t sell their minerals they wouldn’t bother mining it there in the first place.

I think the reason the title is called “EV obsession is placing an entire population at risk of genocide” is to one catch the eyes of the reader who might not know much about where the minerals to make electric batteries come from and two to highlight since their is so much more demand because of the proliferation of EVs these mineral companies are looking to mine in much greater quantities everywhere and anywhere which is why there is a push to mine in this territory to begin with.

Many of “us” are controlled by a deceptive media system and secretive government that is actively trying to divide us. But the little people buying the EV (the ones having the “obsession”) are the wrong ones to be pointing the finger at.

This article did not point the finger at “the little people” in any way, including either version of the title

It’s obscene that a nickel rush to fuel supposedly sustainable consumption is in fact on the verge of wiping out the uncontacted Indigenous Hongana Manyawa, who truly live sustainably.

Survival International is calling for the urgent, immediate recognition and demarcation of their territory, an end to mining on their land and the establishment of a ‘no-go zone’ – the only way to ensure the survival of the uncontacted Hongana Manyawa people.

It’s also vital that electric vehicle manufacturers publicly commit to ensuring that their supply chains are entirely free of materials stolen from the territories of uncontacted Indigenous peoples, or from companies operating on (or sourcing from) the territories of uncontacted peoples, including the Hongana Manyawa.

The most it did is call for international recognition of their territory and EV manufacturers “publicly commit to ensuring their supply chains are entirely free of materials stolen from the territories of uncontacted Indigenous peoples or from companies operating on (or sourcing from) the territories of uncontacted peoples”

They are saying that the demand for EVs is causing this, which it is, if the “little people” in great numbers did not want to buy EVs the companies would not be rapidly expanding mineral extraction into places where they haven’t historically done so. They did not pin the blame solely or mostly on the “little people” given their stated demands of accountability from international bodies and companies. Just because you and most of the other people took issue with the phrase “EV Obsession” does not change this.

Also, your hostility and assumptions don’t make for a very productive conversation.

If you wanted to have a polite response you should not post Fify, that is a smarmy and rude way to talk, so practice what you preach

I am not blaming the consumer, I am specifically pointing out that it is not just on Eramet and the Indonesian government who are responsible and pointing out that places closer to home to you were involved in making the Indonesian government the way it is, not just an isolated company and an isolated country leading to this

good for you, wipe your hands clean from caring about anything

I wonder whose government assisted the Indonesian army in overthrowing their progressive president and slaughtering 100,000s of Indonesian leftists?

Could it have been your government the United States that did this with your grandparents tax money? Midwest.social user?

FIFY

https://jacobin.com/2022/02/suharto-indonesia-us-coup-communism-history-mass-murder-postcolonial-state

If you actually consider yourself a leftist commenting on c/communism you are beyond a disgrace, read the Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins and learn something

Well here you go, you could have clicked the link in the first paragraph of the article if you were so curious, but nonetheless

https://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/honganamanyawa

As with uncontacted peoples the world over, forced contact has been disastrous for the Hongana Manyawa. Between the 1970s and 1990s, many Hongana Manyawa were forcibly contacted, evicted from the rainforest and taken to new villages by the government and missionaries. This immediately exposed them to terrible outbreaks of diseases to which the Hongana Manyawa had no immunity and which they still refer to as “the plague”. In a two-month period, in one village alone, it is estimated that between 50 and 60 people died, almost one person every day.

The uncontacted Hongana Manyawa have made it clear – time and time again – that they do not want to be contacted, to settle or have outsiders come into their rainforest. They are very much aware of the dangers which forced contact brings. As with the uncontacted Sentinelese people of India, it is little wonder that they have been known to defend their lands by shooting arrows at those who force their way in.

You’re so smart! I surrender, don’t think I’m cut out for the marketplace of ideas!

Maybe just maybe it is bad to be mining resources from uncontacted tribes who could not possibly consent to any of this, no matter how much you want to abstract it and say it’s no one’s fault for doing it.

I categorically disagree, and callous people like you are the reason why something like this is allowed to happen in the first place