I’ve seen so much confusion between the two, at first I thought it was trolls, but it’s so consistent that I’ve begun to wonder if they actually don’t understand.
Its a combination of Willful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, virtue signaling, and lastly, they know, they just don’t care.
What an excellent question. I think most of them view it as a distinction without a difference, they don’t care at all if an migrant is legal or illegal. I think they also are subscribing to the slippery slope fallacy, assuming that those who want to deport illegals also want to have citizens deported from the country.
It’s not a theory. The current Admin’s actions have caused Navajo citizens to be detained by ICE:
What reason does ICE have to detain them if they didn’t pick them up with the intent to deport them?
As the article you shared states:
Despite possessing Certificates of Indian Blood (CIBs) and state-issued IDs, several individuals have been detained or questioned by ICE agents who do not recognize these documents as valid proof of citizenship.
I am inclined to agree with the post and what the Navajo Nation Council is asking for:
Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley emphasized the immediate need for the Executive Branch to issue protocols for tribal members living off-reservation.
You’d think they would’ve already done that as a bare minimum prior to detainment efforts.
The only reason ICE agents have to doubt these documents is discrimination, especially if these are verifiable Navajo nation members.
In other words: if you’re brown, you’d better have the papers they want you to have, which are not defined.
I disagree here somewhat. Now, maybe you know more about the background of ICE and how it’s been utilized in the past, admittedly I am not. But from the outside looking in, I can’t imagine a reason why ICE would have gone into reservations looking for Native Americans. If ICE usually isn’t sicced on Native Americans, it would make sense that they don’t have a process for validating the citizenhood of these Americans (although that certainly is quite an oversight).
As far as what documentation ICE looks for, isn’t that the stuff on this list:
https://www.uscis.gov/save/current-user-agencies/commonly-used-immigration-documents
Once again, maybe they should have figured out what qualified as acceptable documentation of Navajo citizenship before detaining them for failing to provide it.
The listed immigration documents do not apply to indigenous people because they aren’t immigrants, not because they’re here illegally.
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Hey cow boy. Progressives are generally more educated and aware, so yes. Meanwhile, most conservatives don’t understand the difference between, for example, asylum and undocumented border crossings; or that “encounters” doesn’t mean “entries”; or that coming on a vacation visa from South Africa or eastern Europe and starting a business or doing modeling work is illegal.
Illegally immigrating and then seeking asylum afterwards is still illegal immigration. You’re just trying a hail Mary when you got caught.
And we’re aware that’s violating your visa is illegal, it’s no where near as prevalent as illegal border crossings.
How are Navajo citizens here illegally? Which country do you think they should be deported to?:
They’re here legally. It was a fuck up. When you have 7.2 million illegals to deport, there’s going to be fuck ups just due to the sheer amount of assholes.
I agree it was a fuck up. I also agree the fuck ups happened due to the sheer amount of assholes, who are not the people detained.
And if it was a fuck up, why haven’t they been released?
Should all brown people just start carrying documentation around everywhere?
Reactionaries don’t care about other people.
Even their family; they’re notorious for disowning their children for being someone different than they wanted. They treat their wives like slaves.
He’s fine with it, because it doesn’t affect him. There’s no more thought to it than that. It’s an inherently anti-social ideology.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9548663/
Other way around, lower cognitive abilities are linked to conservative views.
Was it like your great grandparents? Arrive at Elis Island, read “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” On the statue of Liberty. Arrive without a passport or drivers license. Get your name shortened and welcome to America? Or are you 100 percent native American?
Native Americans? Tell me, what happened to them when millions of immigrants came?
The ones with superior technology and firepower? Well the immigrants that came made contracts and treaties with them. Then they continued to break them. Your statement doesn’t make you the good guy in our current situation it makes you scared and weak.
If they arrived at elis island they immigrated here legally.
Lol whatever dude it’s not like the boat came anywhere else… from Europe. Enjoy being a numbered sheep in the USA such freedom and least you can make some other guy rich such opportunity.
So Europe bad? That’s kind of racist.
Europe is awesome.
Not a conservative myself but it is funny that a post like this is downvoted on a conservative forum. Lemmy is swamped with lefties 😁 Reddit ²
It’s worse than reddit. The devs themselves are unironically communists. I’m not joking or exaggerating, they actually called themselves communists. https://lemmy.ml/post/55143
I like the software and the libertarian bent, but my god the politics here are trash and very one-note outside of this sub.
Wow - that is pretty extreme. That doesn’t totally surprise me though - FOSS is also very leftwing and it seems to apply to most of the tech communities. Not sure why - maybe they see the whole world as a huge algorithm and that inequality is a bug that can and must be fixed (top down approach). Unfortunately the world isn’t predictable and human nature isn’t compatible with communism and only societies that thrive due to capitalism can absorb some socialism. I don’t know any poor society that used socialism to get itself out of poverty. It is always capitalism that does the trick.
