• TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    It’s so very capitalist to look at failed attempts to escape capitalism which were sabotaged by capitalists as indication that the need to rebel is the problem.

    • gxgx55@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      Failing to account for greed for power some people have is in itself a fatal flaw, to be honest. Anyone who advocates for the exact same actions and glorifies the USSR knows what they are doing, they’re hoping to come out on top after their desired revolution. Unfortunately, there are plenty of those kinds of people on this platform…

      • phobiac@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        Out of curiosity, how do you think governments in large capitalist economies (such as the US) properly account for greed for power and keep it in check? Do you think they are doing a good job on that front?

          • phobiac@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            1 year ago

            You might want to turn that incredibly critical eye you’ve got for communism back in on capitalism, that’s all.

            • gxgx55@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              I… am?

              What is this, I am against dictatorial abominations, so that means I am in favor of capitalist abuse? I am literally saying that opposition to capitalism is shooting itself in the foot by tolerating the existence of authoritarian “communists”.

              Unless you’re an actual tankie, your words towards me make no sense.

              • phobiac@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                Misunderstanding on my end then, I made some clearly unfair assumptions. I agree with you there and apologize for the mischaracterization.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            1 year ago

            That’s objectively false. USSR managed to provide everyone with food, housing, healthcare, education, and jobs. Nobody worried about losing their job and ending up on the street or that they wouldn’t be able to retire in dignity. People had reasonable work hours and enjoyed over 20 days vacation. None of the capitalist regimes around today are able to achieve these things.

            • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              “USSR managed to provide everyone with food, housing, healthcare, education, and jobs”

              the victims of the holodomor would like a word

      • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        Are Leftists advocating for the exact same actions as the USSR, or are Capitalists gaslighting the ignorant into believing they are?

        • gxgx55@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          No, I’m just saying tankie infestations are so widespread and loud that they have a decent amount of leverage on what the average person thinks of communism, and tankie opposing leftists are either not loud enough, or not numerous enough.

    • CHINESEBOTTROLL@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      failed attempts

      They didn’t fail. I mean you can criticize the ussr, but it was not capitalist

      which were sabotaged by capitalists

      What a weird thing to say. The USSR had sovereign control over the largest country in the world by far + a lot of allies. The capitalists can’t even get rid of north Korea. Its not the capitalists, the system is just shit

      the need to rebel is the problem

      I mean its fine to rebel, but if your goal is communism I will bet on another case of “tHatS nOT rEaL coMMUnIsM”

      • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Communism doesn’t include a hierarchy of power enforced by violence. The two concepts are antithetical. The USSR was somewhere between capitalism and fascism.