There’s one specific species that causes malaria. Getting rid of that particular one would probably do more good than harm. Their place on the food chain can be filled in by others.
But if they fill in the place in the food chain, that also means they need to be snacking on us.
And I’m not just saying that to be a smart-ass. If humans were a different species, we’d call them horrendously invasive, awful for local ecosystems and that it’s really important that their numbers are kept in check, or whatever other euphemisms there are.
No, I don’t want to suggest that we should leave humans to die, but we should be aware that it’s not as simple as just saving a few lives. We will run into different problems sooner rather than later.
Everything I’ve read suggests that mosquitoes aren’t a primary food source for anything, and that their absence would be relatively easily adusted for by those creatures that do eat them. Still, that’s a hell of a dice roll.
Edit: And apparently that may be wrong anyway.
For other animals—such as lizards, frogs, spiders, and other insects—adult mosquitoes are the primary food source.
I have argued for the same caution every single time this came up on Reddit, because I know of a dozen examples in history where we fucked up something similar.
I got downvoted every single time, across several posts over the years, because obviously the hive mind believes things will be different this time! The thing that males me confident it’ll fail is I’ve never seen, and nobody’s ever provided, an example where this type of ecological engineering has actually succeeded for the better.
The biggest reason it may be different this time is previously we were all like, “let’s exterminate dogs,” and it turns out dogs are important. This time is more like “let’s exterminate pitbulls.” There will still be plenty of mosquitos around if the plan is ever put into motion, we are only targeting a very small slice of them. That doesn’t mean there won’t be issues, it could well be just as big a mistake as all the previous times. But at least it is more likely to work out.
What makes you so confident that this super sophisticated “selective targeting” is 100% guaranteed? What if the species who has killed off 10-100% of every animal population on the planet, in 1 thousandth the time most of them took to evolve, isn’t as smart as they consider themselves to be? What if the talking chimps, with a few decades education, missed something and end up accidentally exterminating all mosquitos? How many animals and ecosystems depend on an animal that’s existed for longer than most terrestrial species? What if our weapon spreads to other arthropods with a similar DNA and “exterminates” insect species around the world, who are already in a historic rate of decline, right after we’ve degraded every habitat on Earth, just as our unplanned terraform irrevocably alters their climate forever?
Are any of these risks worth millions of human lives? Maybe we should focus on altering ourselves? At least then our failures will be contained…
Well, like I said, there is still a chance of collateral damage, which is why there has been so much study to try and make sure that isn’t going to happen. We’ve been sitting on the ability to do this for a long time. As for chances of killing other species, I don’t think that is a risk from the method. They basically just breed mosquitoes of the targeted breed, and modify their genes so they can only have male offspring which can also only produce male offspring, etc.
Do you count reintroducing wolves to Yellowstone to be the same type of ecological engineering? I haven’t checked progress on that for a while but the last I heard, it was too early to say whether it was successful. I highlight Yellowstone because of how cautious the effort was (it took years of planning and analysis) and this caution feels like it’s directly descended from the fuck ups of the past
Reintroduction is not the same thing; that’s an attempt to reverse our damage and restore the ecology that existing before we fucked shit up.
There’s definitely a potential for negative consequences, once the balance has been damaged long enough, but wolves inhabited Yellowstone for hundreds of millennia and have only been gone ~0.03% as long. The years of planning were probably regulatory and because wolves are complex social animals that can’t simply be abducted, dumped, and expected to succeed as though you didn’t just traumatize them with teleportation.
Just a guess… they’re probably a food source low in the chain. Disrupt the food chain and we’re screwed.
https://www.britannica.com/story/what-purposes-do-mosquitoes-serve-in-ecosystems
Well there’s like 30 species and only 4 that hurt humans, so mosquitoes can stay, but those specific 4 can die off.
Even better, there’s thousands of mosquito species, and only 4 that bit humans
Those 4 can fuck right off into extinction
Exactly.
There’s one specific species that causes malaria. Getting rid of that particular one would probably do more good than harm. Their place on the food chain can be filled in by others.
But if they fill in the place in the food chain, that also means they need to be snacking on us.
And I’m not just saying that to be a smart-ass. If humans were a different species, we’d call them horrendously invasive, awful for local ecosystems and that it’s really important that their numbers are kept in check, or whatever other euphemisms there are.
No, I don’t want to suggest that we should leave humans to die, but we should be aware that it’s not as simple as just saving a few lives. We will run into different problems sooner rather than later.
Everything I’ve read suggests that mosquitoes aren’t a primary food source for anything, and that their absence would be relatively easily adusted for by those creatures that do eat them. Still, that’s a hell of a dice roll.
Edit: And apparently that may be wrong anyway.
I have argued for the same caution every single time this came up on Reddit, because I know of a dozen examples in history where we fucked up something similar.
I got downvoted every single time, across several posts over the years, because obviously the hive mind believes things will be different this time! The thing that males me confident it’ll fail is I’ve never seen, and nobody’s ever provided, an example where this type of ecological engineering has actually succeeded for the better.
The biggest reason it may be different this time is previously we were all like, “let’s exterminate dogs,” and it turns out dogs are important. This time is more like “let’s exterminate pitbulls.” There will still be plenty of mosquitos around if the plan is ever put into motion, we are only targeting a very small slice of them. That doesn’t mean there won’t be issues, it could well be just as big a mistake as all the previous times. But at least it is more likely to work out.
What makes you so confident that this super sophisticated “selective targeting” is 100% guaranteed? What if the species who has killed off 10-100% of every animal population on the planet, in 1 thousandth the time most of them took to evolve, isn’t as smart as they consider themselves to be? What if the talking chimps, with a few decades education, missed something and end up accidentally exterminating all mosquitos? How many animals and ecosystems depend on an animal that’s existed for longer than most terrestrial species? What if our weapon spreads to other arthropods with a similar DNA and “exterminates” insect species around the world, who are already in a historic rate of decline, right after we’ve degraded every habitat on Earth, just as our unplanned terraform irrevocably alters their climate forever?
Are any of these risks worth millions of human lives? Maybe we should focus on altering ourselves? At least then our failures will be contained…
Well, like I said, there is still a chance of collateral damage, which is why there has been so much study to try and make sure that isn’t going to happen. We’ve been sitting on the ability to do this for a long time. As for chances of killing other species, I don’t think that is a risk from the method. They basically just breed mosquitoes of the targeted breed, and modify their genes so they can only have male offspring which can also only produce male offspring, etc.
Do you count reintroducing wolves to Yellowstone to be the same type of ecological engineering? I haven’t checked progress on that for a while but the last I heard, it was too early to say whether it was successful. I highlight Yellowstone because of how cautious the effort was (it took years of planning and analysis) and this caution feels like it’s directly descended from the fuck ups of the past
Reintroduction is not the same thing; that’s an attempt to reverse our damage and restore the ecology that existing before we fucked shit up.
There’s definitely a potential for negative consequences, once the balance has been damaged long enough, but wolves inhabited Yellowstone for hundreds of millennia and have only been gone ~0.03% as long. The years of planning were probably regulatory and because wolves are complex social animals that can’t simply be abducted, dumped, and expected to succeed as though you didn’t just traumatize them with teleportation.
I can kill off mosquitoes and spiders in the same go? smashes that mosquito-nuke button so hard that it’s shattered to dust
Mosquitos aren’t some special niche. Take out mosquitos and something else moves in to replace them, something that doesn’t bite.
There’s nothing that solely depends on mosquitos, and wouldn’t prefer to eat other things which mosquitos may be suppressing by existing themselves.
It’s impressive that almost every single sentence that you wrote is incorrect.
Their eggs are a rich snack for fish. The reason they’re a rich snack is because their mom sucked blood.
That said, we can probably kill off the one species that causes malaria. Other species will move into the gap.
“But bitey”
If we could we’d try to kill algae and plankton for turning the oceans green and ruining our pictures. We’re not a smart group, us.
To be fair, mosquitoes are the most dangerous animal to humans because of disease spread. It’s not just annoying, itchy bites.
Source: https://www.npr.org/2024/07/08/nx-s1-5026612/mosquitos-kill-more-people-than-any-other-creature-the-cdc-warns
It’s true and I get that just that we can’t go eradicating one of the bases of most terrestial ecosystems based on that.
Clearly you haven’t tried yet. Where’s Bob the builder at?
Maybe that’s their purpose? Human population control? LOL!
Mosquitoes have killed more humans than every single war ever conducted by humans since the dawn of time, combined.
So will blowing up our already fragile ecosystems.
Kid named Malaria: