• WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Doesn’t get paid properly to deliver a service you’re relying on.

    Tipping culture is stupid, but that doesn’t mean you get to fuck over workers by refusing the tips they rely on. If you want to fight that fight, take it up with the business or your legislator, ya cheap asshole.

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      Restaurant owners everywhere would be so happy to know you think the customers are the ones fucking over the workers

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        Do you imagine that the people refusing to pay tips aren’t fucking over the workers, or do you believe that because customers are fucking over workers, the restaurant owners can’t be fucking over the workers too?

        It doesn’t matter - either take is transparently stupid.

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          I believe it is on the owners to provide fair wages to workers. When the plumber, electrician, mechanic, sales rep, or whoever else tells you they don’t make a livable wage, you’re going to feel it is your responsibility to tip them too?

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            If you don’t want to tip people that can’t otherwise make minimum wage, use restaurants that pay minimum wage. You don’t get to steal those workers’ labour because the restaurateurs and legislators have failed them.

            Others industries have to pay minimum wage - your contribution isn’t factored into their base requirements for survival. This is a silly comparison. Do I support an increase in minimum wages? Abso-fucking-lutely - but electricians aren’t routinely being paid less than $3/hr.

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              You recognize that restauratuers and legislators are the ones failing workers, yet you attribute the lost wages to the paying customer. What can we as paying customers do to fail the workers so that you recognize restauratuers and legislators as being responsible for their fair wages?

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      Ayup. I live in a non-tipping country, but in the US, well…

      • the farmer doesn’t deal with the customer
      • the logistics company doesn’t deal with the customer
      • the inspector doesn’t deal with the customer
      • the manager doesn’t deal with the customer
      • the cook doesn’t deal with the customer

      It’s an arsehole tax

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        If you don’t think restaurant managers deal with customers than all I can say is I’m so happy for you for never having to work in that industry lol. All of the other people you named also have customers they deal with except maybe the cook. Logistics company is the farmer’s customer, restaurant owner is logistics company’s customer, etc. All of said customers can also be arseholes.

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          Managers mostly placate and throw their waitstaff under the bus.

          And no, logistics companies do not deal with the restaurant patron, the fuck are you on

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            I didn’t say restaurant patron. Usually there is an employee or even the owner (what i said in my previous reply - not patron) of a restaurant that has to order and receive ingredients and other equipment to run the business. Suppliers also have employees that negotiate and coordinate deliveries with these restaurant staff. In this specific situation, the restaurant managers/owners are the customers of their suppliers.