Thank you. Spot on.
I’m also seeing bizarre infiltrations of instances by likely paid teams of saboteurs who know exactly how to deFed the federated.
The reason corporate social media sucks is its monopolistic nature. “Instance wars” are why lemmy is better than reddit, which consists of exactly one instance.
Yeah, right. That totally makes Lemmy better. It’s so pleasant to always bicker and threaten to defederate from each other. It’s also so unlike Reddit where Subreddits brigade each other and have sub wars. Lemmy is so unique in that… /s
What we need is a strongman to come along and tell everyone what to do.
It’s so inefficient to have these different instances defederating from one another. We should prevent defederation and make it illegal to have redundant instances.
There should be a Chief Efficiency Overlord to make all this happen.
There’s 2 things I can’t abide: intolerant communities and the Dutch.
As a Dutchman representing the Dutch, we fully agree with the statement made.
Obligatory: G E K O L O N I S E E R D
Is there a federation map somewhere so you can see what instances are federated with each other and which are not?
Yes.
https://federation-checker.vercel.app/
This link lets you type in an Instance name and it will tell you what other Instances allow it and which ones block it.
There’s also this site, which gives you more options for filtering, but also seems to throw up errors pretty consistently in my experience.
In terms of figuring out which instances are cool with one another, this site is also quite useful. It’s a web of trust model that a majority of major instances participate in.
It shows which instances endorse one another, with those instances obviously being federated. It also shows how instances choose to describe/tag themselves, which can give you a better understanding of their general vibe. And it also shows which instances are viewed with suspicion, as they are hesitated or censured by other instances.
@Martineski pinging you
I’d also be interested in knowing that.
Someone answered the comment above with a link, go check it out!
Anyone unironically surprised by this? Lmao
From what I’ve seen, a lot of the toxicity is trickling down from the powermods. Same issue migrated from Reddit.
Probably some of the same powermods doing it
I would bet money that you’re right.
Mods will always be a problem.
I’ve yet to encounter a well adjusted human who voluntarily mods.
Maybe we need a draft.
My preference is for completely community moderated platform.
People essentially vote for content moderation. Likely susceptible to gamification but I’m still interested in seeing it in practice.
Considering the use of downvote bots already, I don’t see that working any better. But then I don’t have any better ideas.
I just think it’s neat.
Out of the loop, what’s going on?
Regular .world vs .ml shenanigans
.zip lemmings chillin’
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Fighting trolls should not be done by invalidating neopronouns, speak to anyone that uses neopronouns and they’ll likely tell you that it quickly cascades into witch hunting.
Is it still invalidating when someone using neopronouns is doing so disingenuously?
Again, invalidating neopronouns is a cascading issue that results in witch-hunting and should be avoided.
Not sure I agree as it seems like black and white thinking.
I.e. I could imagine a scenario where someone is very obviously/admits to using neopronouns disingenuously and that would break my social contract with them to honour it.
If I make an assessment of neopronoun usage on a case by case basis I can still avoid witch hunts. It’s similar to how I determine in real life if someone is an asshole or not.
Another way; I can support a person who I genuinely believe uses neopronouns while denouncing and excluding someone who doesn’t.
It is a very tricky slope. It’s best to never compromise on neopronoun usage even with suspected trolls, they can be discredited without erasing the pronouns.
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What do you mean? My name’s not Ada, and I have 2, this one and the Hexbear version under the same name.
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Ada & Cowbee are not the same person, so who’s stupid now?
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Legitimately what are you talking about? Who is Ada?
It’s just basic maffs, Cowbee:
- Any given opinion can only be held by one person in the universe.
- Admin Ada @ blahaj and you have the same opinion regarding neopronouns.
- Therefore you and Ada incontrovertibly must be the same person.
Oh, that’s funny. Pretty sure Ada would hate me for being a Marxist, so that’s especially strange.
There was a good comment by @pjwestin@lemmy.world the other day on an angry anti-.ml post:
Before joining Lemmy: “It really doesn’t matter what instance you join, you’ll be able to see content from all over.”
After joining Lemmy: “So you’ve enlisted in .world, eh? Welcome to the fight, soldier!”
What’s the beef here? I’m out of the loop.
There’s currently about 600 lemmy instances, in many different countries, and those countries each have different laws regarding the protection of speech. Some of it is also just power-tripping mods or left-wing / right-wing censorship.
If this is happening to a community you like, you can always switch to the same community in a different instance. Eventually, the “official” community will have the most subscribers and the community with the censorship problems will wither and die.
Lemmy.world is very liberal leaning and defederated from the Marxist aligned instances. Lemmy.ml is more broadly federated and has Marxist mods and admins, and more leftist users in general.
That’s it. Some users make it a fight.
I’m pretty progressive leaning and just joined .world because I had no idea what lemmy was and was tired of reddit but I thought it didn’t matter what one you joined since you can see all the other instances correct? Or am I wrong here, like if I go to All it shows pose from all instances? Have been curious why I have seen so much far left as in comrade leftist post so I guess that adds up if .world is where they mainly hang out. But again I still don’t completely understand lemmy but I enjoy it more than reddit
Instances are like islands, with bridges between others. Some instances sever their bridges to other islands so their citizens can’t see any of that content and the other island’s users can’t comment.
Lemmy.world is defederated from instances like Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml, so you can’t see their comment. Hexbear is mostly an Anarchist and Marxist hangout, Lemmygrad is specifically Marxist-Leninist and takes itself a bit more seriously. Your “All” feed doesn’t show anything from them.
Instances also matter because some have great local feeds based on niche interests, that’s part of why I like Hexbear and find it great to browse locally. .world is more of a Reddit replication.
Great explanation thank you!
No problem!
Wait did world defederare from ml after all? I thought it hadn’t. Because people keep complaining about ml and I still see memes.ml and comments from ml users. Or is it one of these things where federation works in ways that are more complex than most of us assume? Is it that the other instances defederated from world? But I’ve seen ml users comment on my comments. Argh federarion is confusing…
there are multiple instances whose domains end in .ml. lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml and the ones that i’m aware of.
lemmy.ml is the primary instance where Lemmy was (and is) originally developed from and that’s usually what they’re referring to when they say .ml
Gotcha thanks
very liberal leaning and defederated
For me, “slight liberal leaning” is more appropriate for them
It’s our version of sports teams
Would be more fun for it to be soccer or chess or something, lol
Chess boxing it is
Wild, lmao!
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Hey! Fuck you chemicalwonka! Your nuanced, slightly different opinion enrages me! We’re enemies now.
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If no one has accused anyone of broadly supporting genocide, yet, mind if I dabble?
.ml has flung no shit. It’s just really loud .world users trying to split communities
Let’s just talk about Rampart
Most based take possible.
Basically “Someone said something I disagree with. Instead of dealing with it or ignoring this user, I want the whole instance to be nuked!”.
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Same…
dbzero on top. even after beefing with and being banned from another instance the admins let us stay federated.
.ml banning the dbzero admin instead of defederating will never not be funny.
“The users are fine, it’s just the admin”
Wasn’t that Hexbear that banned dbzer0? Or was that also Lemmy.ml?
I could be misremembering, but I can see dbzer0 content so I guess both instances came to the same conclusion lmao.
.world, hexbear, and another big one all defederated with dbzer0 since they host a lot of piracy and grey area legal content.
Hexbear is federated with dbzer0, I have no idea why you think otherwise. They banned the admins for being Anticommunist, but left it federated because Hexbear is pro-piracy and there are cool dbzer0 users
Ah my bad, might have gotten my instances mixed around, I thought there were three big instances that defederated with dbzer0
There may have been, but Lemmy.ml is fine with Piracy it seems and Hexbear is explicitly pro-piracy.
I think it’s just lemmy.world, and they actually aren’t defederated from dbzer0, they just blocked the piracy community specifically. I think dbzer0 is pretty much fully federated with all the major servers except for lemmygrad. With .world blocking the piracy community, it only affects their users, dbzer0 users can still participate in any lemmy.world content.
Is this one of those things where lemmy users “remember” things that happened to hexbear, or are you telling me that the dbzero admins also got themselves banned from .ml and dessalines also decided not to defed?
dbzer0, lemmy.zip and lemm.ee have all been consistently great.
The propaganda recycling isn’t great, but it’s at the (VERY) least not any worse than reddit, facebook, or legacy media
The propaganda recycling isn’t great
.ml
lol
As an ex-dbzero, it’s a solid choice!
Solidarity amongst all instances.
Our fediverse comrades.
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