I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.

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    There’s a very detailed American politics podcast here in Australia called PEP that covered the conspiracy theories in their most recent episode. I thought you might be interested in watching. The main section starts from here (I’ve timestamped the link for you), but there’s also some earlier discussion about conspiracy theories as well as just the incident in general that also might be of interest/useful context.

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    Someone I know (who believes the previous one could have been staged) has suggested the opposite. They argue that, in the previous attempt, Trump raises his fist and isn’t very scared, while in the most recent attempt, he looks quite scared and even trips.

    I think there’s not enough evidence to say that the previous attempt was staged (but there’s a small chance it could have been), and it is very unlikely that this one is staged.

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    I think it’s because there was a series of coincidences and it’s easy to believe.

    Trump DID attend a previous dinner and was roasted but he wasn’t president at the time. But he is well known for attacking anyone that doesn’t praise him openly. So he hasn’t traditionally attended because it hurts his little ego. It seems very suspect that the one time he does, he manages to avoid it after all.

    Certain members of his staff, seemed to know the name of the attacker with ridiculous speed or even beforehand. (I have not seen time stamps on those).

    Certain members of the press remarked on the unusually sparse security. Some even reportedly left because they felt uneasy.

    A Fox News reporter seemed to be explaining how the husband of Caroline Leavitt was telling her in advance that she needed to “stay safe” when her audio suddenly and suspiciously cut out. I did listen to that.

    The administration pretty quickly spun this as a reason to build TACO’s ballroom. Therefore he would benefit from it.

    It’s easy to jump to this conclusion of these items are true. Personally I doubt it, but when I first heard about it, my first thought was, “How convenient.” Let’s say if actual proof surfaced I wouldn’t be surprised.

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    I don’t know all the details, but something that struck me as odd was the fact that this was the first WHC dinner that Trump was going to, famously being too cowardly to go to the others for fear of being mocked. Why go to this one, when his approval rating is in the toilet?

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      This is the second WHC dinner during his second term. Last year they purposefully didn’t invite any entertainer and made no jokes about the administration to appease Trump. They showed they are ready to bow down and sacrifice freedom of speech so Trump showed up this year to express his approval.

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      You’re thinking about it backwards. It’s the first one the assassin tried to rush into because Trump was going to be there.

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      Because there wasn’t going to be a roast. Mentalist and magician Oz Pearlman was going to host, instead.

      And because, by staging a shooter, he is going to get public funding for his ballsack I mean ballroom.

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    Because we’ve been trained by the republicans to prepare for a distraction when the current news is bad.

    All of the republican news is really bad right now. They’ve flip-flopped on wars with various countries and the Epstein files a few times already. Even thrown out some UFO stuff. Nothing is working though because gas prices are high and there’s no easy and clean way out of the quagmire the GOP is currently in.

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      It saddens me so much to know that the president can rape children, and get away with it. On top of that, the only reason people aren’t distracted from it is the fact that gas prices are still high. If gas were cheap, there is a good chance 48% of Americans would be distracted.

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    Trump was seen as having an electoral boost after the Pennsylvania shooting.

    Trump is in a deep hole with the electorate over the Epstein files, the economy, the Iran war, and support of the genocidal Israeli regime

    Trump has used very blatant & underhanded tactics in the past, from the 2020 electoral certification Coup attempt, and the recent doordash PR stunt.

    There will always be some amount of people who will not accept things at face value, but with Trump, experience has shown that waiting for evidence before believing what the administration is saying is a wise move.

    TL;DR: a lot of sketchy crap happens in this administration and people think anything that might turn out well for Trump’s voter polls is manufactured

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      The door dash thing was so tone deaf. Like, oh I hear your husband has cancer. Well, the good thing is, there is a job opening for you to help pay for it! You can doordash yourself to the bed next to him! He

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      the PR stunts, yes the assasinations are this to. its to assure thier magat supporters that he still is in control of things, they are too dumb to realize hes always staging things.

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    9 days ago

    “I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating” - I think we’re well past insinuating. Straight out declaring would be more accurate now. The man has no credibility left. No one trusts him with the truth, their money or their daughters. If I was a betting man I’d say his foreign handlers are already lining up the next candidate for the world stage. You can also tell, by the way, that none of the big media channels are buying it either. All you need to do is compare their coverage now with at the coverage of the assassination attempts of previous presidents. When Reagan got shot the whole world stopped to look. It was literally everywhere. This, so called, “attempt” was a small front page story that will be gone in a couple of days. The mid terms are coming. I expect more and more panicked moves between now and November.

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      I agree he has no credibility. But is there any other reason besides that to think it was faked?

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        Just a bunch of suspicious actions lining up. obviously no one has come out and said “We are planning a false flag operation to fake an attempt on trumps life”

        But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…

        and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)

        and a source in the white house leaking that it was planning a big mic drop event for the dinner about a week before hand

        and you have trump, a known coward, who typically panics and looks for cover, sitting there smirking while its happening (No flag to drop down from a crane to make a big posed picture for this time, sadly)

        and the inevitable question is… what would he gain from it if it is true? And the answer is, a lot… especially when you consider what he faces after the midterms… which is impeachment and possible 25th amendment invocation… not to mention the rest…

        Like His poll numbers are at historic lows. His cult is disintegrating around him, he failed in his attempt to rig the midterm elections with the SAVE act not getting passed, and as a whole popular opinion is turning against him and the republicans, to the point that even Republicans are expecting major across the board losses come the midterms.

        What better way to try to reclaim some of his popularity, his polling, and his cult, and try to rally republican voters for the midterms than with another assassination attempt? Especially since the last big one (the one that supposedly shot him in the ear, that was magically healed with no scars/trauma/etc a week and a half later) did so much to boost his polling and popularity.

        like I said in the very first sentence, no ones gonna come out and straight up admit that this is what factually happened, but a skeptical look at the facts at hand, and what we know about Trump and his personality… It seems like a plausible scenario to assemble from the pieces we have.

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          But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…

          and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)

          Where can I find more info on this stuff in particular?

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        The thing is people aren’t looking for reasons to believe it was faked, that’s the default with trump now. The question is what makes anyone think it’s real? He’s the one who coined fake news so can’t really blame anyone for not believing the “news” 😅

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        I’m not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but there was a leak a few days ago that said Trump was staging a fake PR blow up at the event. Like he’d discussed with his team that he was going to go on an unhinged rant and storm off like it was everyone else’s fault, because somehow he thinks that that makes him look like the adult in the room.

        At the time I read speculation that this had been leaked by his own team in order to prevent it from happening, because it’s obviously such a stupid idea to everyone but him.

        He skipped every other White House correspondents’ dinner, and he was only going to attend this one in order to stage a fake PR moment.

        Obviously that’s not proof, but add it to the pile of circumstantial evidence.

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    Trump’s whole term in office has been difficult to follow. What’s going on now? What’s the truth and what isn’t? Politicians lie, but trump is the best at misinformation.

    The thing is that we don’t know, but because of the environment his administration has created, you have to doubt everything he says and be skeptical of every event they’re involved in.

    The conspiratorial culture of the far right is infecting every aspect of his administration. At this point it doesn’t really matter what’s true and what’s fabricated, so long as it can be spun into a media event to feed his ego.

    I need to take a break from the Internet.

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    It’s the kind of thing he would do. Putin does it all of the time, and you know how Trump feels about him. One time Putin staged a takeover of a theater, and then gassed the theater. With hundreds of innocent members of the public inside. They got dragged across the ground and stacked up in public busses to be taken to the hospital. Over 100 died. They refused to publish the actual total. For a press op.

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      gassed the theater. With hundreds of innocent members of the public inside

      That’s terrible! And just double-checking with a bit of searching, yeah, this was a real incident. Whether it was “staged” is unclear (not enough evidence to support or deny it due to the lack of an investigation). But the Russian authorities did indeed release a noxious gas into the theatre without any sort of evacuation or coordination with health services, yet the official report by the Kremlin hails it as a success even though over a hundred people died?! I feel like, staged or not, that is something that should be criticised.

      For a bit of context, Russia was invading Chechnya, which declared independence after the dissolution of the USSR, and a Chechen militant group took over a theatre and held everyone in it hostage (how they did that, I’m not sure. Some of the sources blame it on negligence of Russian intelligence, or suggest that authorities in the area were bribed). There was a siege of the theatre, and by the second day, people started to get shot. Afterwords, the Russian special forces gassed the theatre before entering it in an assault, and most of the hostages, as well as the Chechen militants, were killed. Additionally, authorities in Russia did not say what the gas was, meaning the people administering first aid had to guess, causing more death and permanent injuries than was necessary.

      https://www.britannica.com/event/Moscow-theater-hostage-crisis (Britannica)

      https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article/189/9-10/228/7454807 (journal article)

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-20067384 (BBC)

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      he had staged several false flags since the ukraine war began, with like no followup or investigation by russia at all.

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      There’s actually no proof the Moscow theatre hostage crisis was staged either. You’re supporting a conspiracy theory by pointing to an another conspiracy that you just made up. Y’all have completely given up on critical thinking.

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    Because the fact of the matter is, his PA ‘attempt’ stinks to high heaven. USSS broke numerous protocols with that incident, and you literally see people coordinating and ‘directing’ his fight fight fight shot.

    Once is happenstance,. twice is a coincidence, and three is a pattern.

    He’s had three of these incidents if you include the bushes in Mar A Lago dude. And what happened here? Did we have congressional reports detailing these events, the places they took place, suspect motivations, and the data broken down for everyone to see what went wrong?

    No. We didn’t have anything of the sort.

    We will not for this one either. Because this likely is more theatrics from a historically unpopular administration.

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      Yeah as a non American it’s kinda like okay is this fake or are you guys actually just not that great at shooting your targets 😅 c’mon, if these are real you gotta start questioning your nations eyesight or something 😂

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        ‘It’s just impossible to use science in the forensics of a scene like this’ is what trumps lawyer said.

        I totally think this was staged.

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    Probs coz of the weird footage by some people. Guests sitting there still eating, others grabbing bottles, people smiling and chatting afterwards. People also are assuming that each attempt on his life was so bad that it felt staged (the way his ear looked after the first one, how incompetent the shooters were etc, theres lots of things flying around in comments). And then there’s the lack of sympathy for Trump so most people would want any reason to keep hating him.

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    Whether this was staged or not is up for debate, but calling this guy a shooter is misinformation. Show me where this guy fired any shots. The officer that was shot in his bullet proof vest was hit by friendly fire, all shots fired were by law enforcement. If I’m wrong direct me to where there’s creditable evidence that says otherwise.

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    The response was too canned and uniform. There’s no fact finding, no actual concern for what happened here its all just rhetoric aimed at curtailng free speech. Add in the FBI director weighing in way too early and it all points to a setup.

    There’s a real possibility the guy that did the shooting is the target of an FBI entrapment scheme or something similar.

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      I go with the arguments I do with 9/11, it wasn’t an inside job. The government and president knew they were going to be happening, they chose to let them happen.

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    Who made millions off the Polymarket bet that Trump would have an assassination attempt again?

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          There’s probably a continuous polymarket net on Trump’s successful assassination. It’s starting to look inevitable, for either that award, or an Oscar.

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          You’re as bad as a redcap, spreading disinformation because it “wouldn’t surprise you”

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            Sarcasm and frustration is not disinformation. People who read such comments as literal “disinformation” need to take some responsibility for vetting the information they’re consuming. Use some common sense to judge the quality and source of the comment before you decide it’s an intentional effort to deceive you.

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              I agree with you generally speaking but I don’t think the sarcasm was very obvious in the initial comment. And given the context (a post asking “Why do people think X?”) it does come off as a bit misleading.

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            Look into prediction markets and how they evaluate the outcome of bets, it’s all entirely manipulated by 0.01% of its users because you can literally buy the outcome. This is not only possible, it is staggeringly more likely than not.

            Some more news just did an episode on this shit, everybody should watch it. Prediction markets are just another way for the 0.01% to fuck everyone yet again.

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          There is going to be polymarket bets on anything trump does tho. Bets on him saying certain words seems pretty run of the mill to me

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      Knowing how Trump works, if there is no bet, I’d say that’s proof it wasn’t a conspiracy. But the opposite holds true, too.

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        He’s not a journalist, he’s not “reporting facts” on lemmy. He’s saying it wouldn’t be surprised if someone DID place a bet, like the special forces guy who got arrested for a polymarket bet. Maybe try to chill for a second.

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          Then my eyes can only roll further into the back of my head as this platform degenerates into Q level conspiracies based feelings rather than facts.

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    The quote I saw elsewhere that summed it up best for me is, “even if it’s real, it’s still fake”.

    The whole thing was just a bit too rubbish, like, if you were going to try shooting the President, the events as report seem like such an obviously useless way to go about it that there’s got to be something else going on.

    My favourite conspiracy theory is that it’s their way of getting an already-sympathetic White House press corps to feel like they’re part of the whole thing, that attacks on the President are also attacks on them personally - trying to create a feeling that they and Trump are all trauma survivors who are in it together.

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        I don’t know how to respond to that beyond posting what’s already been said.

        a gunman opened fire near a security checkpoint at the event in Washington DC.

        He was tackled by agents just short of a staircase which leads down to a ballroom where the annual White House correspondents’ dinner attended by hundreds of journalists and public figures was getting under way.

        Officials said he possessed multiple weapons and appears to have acted alone.

        How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President? Did he think he was Neo or something?

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          How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President?

          I don’t find it that had to believe that someone might attempt that. There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound

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            There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound

            See I think your reasoning there proves my point quite well. If the first explanation you go to is that the person is not mentally sound, then almost by definition these are actions that don’t make sense.

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              Ah I see. Yes, I agree, they don’t make sense, but not necessarily in a way that implies conspiracy