The codebreaker/casino arc in The Last Jedi
I have so many complaints about that movie but THIS is number one. The entire thing is a complete waste of time, all set about because Poe got turned into an insubordinate, hotheaded moron. Doesn’t help that Holdo has a perfectly functional plan she won’t share with anyone instead preferring to let them believe they’re all going to die, but frankly the movie is just a series of stupid, terrible decisions in a row from every character and above all, the director.
Can you tell I hate this movie?
The hyperspace collision as a weapon is worldbreaking.
If that works in the Star Wars universe, in A New Hope, why didn’t the Rebellion just get large asteroids and attach hyperspace engines to them and aim them at the Death Star. Asteroids traveling at hyperspace speeds, especially hundreds of them would be unstoppable and not a single Rebel life would have been in danger.
Poe got turned into an insubordinate, hotheaded moron.
This made no sense to me. Poe, in the Last Jedi, acts completely different that Poe in the prior movie where he was calm, collected and rational. If they wanted a character to be hotheaded, introduce a new character.
Forget the rebels, why build the death star(s) in the first place?
It’s easier, faster, and waaaaay more effective to just send a few dozen small ships throughout the galaxy with an extra hyperdrive or two to be ready to blow up any planet with some space junk. Any time. Any place. No centralized base for the rebels to stop.
Agreed on both points. Poe was done dirty, the Holdo Maneuver is OP af, and the entire movie was designed to show off and put the director’s personal stamp on the franchise more than it was attempting to respect the lore and its audience.
Not to be that guy but I’m still complaining about the silent space scene. The Last Jedi was the 10th movie in the franchise (12th if you count the animated movies and 13th if you count the made for tv Ewok movie) and it was the first time there was no roar of engines, no sounds of weapons fire, the sound effect of jumping to hyperspace didn’t even play. Star Wars isn’t 2001. It’s not set in our universe. In the Star Wars universe sound waves travel through space.
Be that guy! Part of being part of a storied franchise is staying in your lane. TLJ deliberately went out of its way to set itself apart, which is NOT how you’re supposed to do it.
The trilogy would’ve been much better if either director had done all 3. Either J.J. Abrams with a fun nostalgic return to form, or Rian Johnson with a fresh new take. The whiplash from them fighting with each other over the direction of the plot just ended up being a huge mess. I’m pretty surprised they weren’t just told what the plot was going to be, kind of seems like a screwup by whoever handled that.
Or just have Rian Johnson do a “Star Wars Story” movie where he could come up with some characters and do his own thing. Seems to be what he wanted to do.
JJ Abrams was the best guy to do a movie where they’re bringing back the original characters again. As soon as you bring back some old characters it’s never going to be completely fresh and original because you have those existing characters there. But that’s fine, they didn’t need to be great ground breaking movies. Having three solid movies with the original cast passing the torch to a new generation with a bunch of fun action scenes is all it needed to be.
I think they did things exactly backwards. The Episodes should’ve played it a little more safe (you got the beloved original characters so you don’t want to screw it up) while the “Star Wars Story” movies should’ve taken big risks. Instead they made TLJ be a weird departure from action adventure (which didn’t accomplish anything) while the Star Wars Story movies were a couple of prequels that couldn’t deviate much from things we already knew. Should’ve taken some risks on the Star Wars story movies because missing the mark on those ones wouldn’t have hurt the franchise. I didn’t care for Rogue One, but it didn’t ruin anything because I can just ignore it. Can’t ignore TLJ with it being right in the middle of a Trilogy featuring characters I like.
Didn’t Holdo’s plan involve modifying some spaceships so they wouldn’t be detected? Wouldn’t that involve engineers? Isn’t Rose and engineer? Why didn’t Rose know what Holdo’s plan was? Did Holdo also not tell the engineers her plan? Maybe that’s why half the ships got blown up by the First Order immediately.
That whole plotline made no sense and was completely pointless. But basically all of the plotlines were pointless in that movies.
Wouldn’t be detected by sensors… which is irrelevant since the First Order ships had windows and they were within eyesight(!)
Yeah but the First Order launched a fighter attack that took out most of the Resistance leadership, and after that success they decided to not do that anymore. They could’ve easily spotted any ships trying to escape if they had their fighters constantly harassing the Resistance ships.
So the idiot Resistance plan was to count on the First Order to be idiots. But while they were idiotic enough to not continue using their fighters (which were super effective), but not so idiotic as to not look out the window.
Have some sympathy for Holdo! When you’re an idiot in an idiot plot, it’s really hard to judge how idiotic your enemy will be.
I still have no idea what Snoke’s role was. F Rian Johnson.
He just needs to stick to Knives Out and stay away from other franchises.
If I had the chance to make edits to the script, I’d have done the following:
- Replace the animals in the racing with podracers
- Have the hacker guy drop the dreadnought’s shields for a moment to permit the Holdo manoeuvre
The podracer stuff is basically just fanservice, but it’s very minor and not adding any more distractions than were already there, so I think that’s fine
The hacker does have a motivation to ensure the empire doesn’t get a clean win. He profits from the war. He wants both sides to struggle. Doing this just as he leaves gives him an actual role beyond betraying Finn and Rose, makes sense for his motivations, and also explains why hyperspeed ramming doesn’t usually work in Star Wars
These are good changes. Also I would suggest that they should have switched it to the Leia maneuver instead of Holdo, have her use the force to put Holdo to sleep or something to save her life. If I remember correctly Carrie Fisher had passed away while it was still in post production?
Ahh, I forgot about that. I think they should have just committed to having Kylo Ren kill her. He pulled the trigger, after all, the intent was there.
I liked Holdo as a character. I believe she was meant to come across as overbearing and arrogant because part of her role was to teach Poe that his recklessness was doing as much harm as good. He had to learn to work with other people, and Holdo was the one to show him that. She had to be (initially) unlikeable so that Poe would chafe against her command
More precisely: Anything in The Last Jedi
In episode 17, when Commander Taggart is about to escape the neutron field in the omega-13, he used the auxiliary of deck B… But in the next episode, the schematic shows that deck has been totally vaporized. I was just wondering, do you think that’s a continuity error, or do you think there’s a justifiable reason for it?
You are our last hope.
This feels like a murderbot reference, but I haven’t read them all
Never give up, never surrender
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The whole last season of GOT.
Just rewarched on a TV in a background and it’s so bad. I thought maybe given some time it would clear up a bit as GOT hype died down but it’s just awful, can’t believe the actors managed to keep a straight face.
You can just watch the Pitch Meeting next time. Shorter and internally consistent.
It’s incomprehensibly bad. The later seasons ahead of the books all had their problems, but the last one is just…
It’s completely lost on me how something like that can happen to such a big production. GoT was the hottest pop culture shit for years but after season eight, we just collectively stopped talking about it.
Ant-Man
spoiler
The first Ant Man had this rule where any objects that are shrunk will stay as the weight they originally were. Yet Hank Pym carries around a shrunken tank on a keychain! Scandalous!
One can surmise it’s actually a life-sized model kit tank made out of cheap plastic, akin to how it works in Ground Defense Force! Mao-Chan.
Wrll there is also a scene in one of the movies where a plastic thomas the tank engine toy gets huge and crushes a police car. The toy that should jot weigh more than 200g crushes a car …
But it drove through a concrete wall!
It’s a really well made toy tank?
Or a very badly made wall…
Tofu dreg construction, perhaps.
I think one of the theories is that Hank doesn’t actually know how Pym particles work and it’s basically magic. Because if you watch it keeping weight in mind none of it makes sense.
Did they explain why in endgame a pym particles vial is only used once per person? While in other ant-man movies a vial of pym particles can be used multiple times.
Yes, they didn’t have enough left because Hank Pym was dusted.
Remember when Scott was about to test the time machine? They have 2 vials to use. He accidentally shrunk himself and he said they only have 1 left for the test. The 2 vials are full before they used it. He used a full vial of pym particles just to shrink down.
Because they have to shrink down to the quantum realm and come back. It uses more. It’s also never made clear how many particles are in the vials or if they’re full or how many a normal shrinking takes. But it is established multiple times that they have a limited supply and only enough to the job. Also, it’s a comic book movie.
didn’t he “refine/improve” the process or something?
Comic book movies are cheating at this game.
In Prometheus at the start… right until the very end.
“Hey, alien planet we’ve never been on before. Let’s take our helmets off.”
“Hey our map guy got LOST inside an underground tunnel and tried to pet an alien snake and now he’s infected.”
“This medical machine is configured for men. Caesarian mode is on the left.”
I call the movie Fuckwits In Space for these and many more reasons.
Expecting humans in a sci-fi monster movie not to be cocky before their sudden yet inevitable demise is kind of cheating.
I don’t understand the last point.
PS I really really like Prometheus, so I’m biased
I liked it’s world-building and greater lore implications for the Aliens universe, but I can still admit it has flaws and pacing issues
I will never stop calling any scene where an object is moving towards people and they run directly away from it while it’s gaining on them as “the Prometheus school of running away.” This was only slightly less stupid than trying to outrun a train…on the tracks.
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Last Jedi:
Leia gives Rey a hand held tracking device and tells her that with it she will be able to find them wherever they go.
In THE SAME SCENE, they come out of Hyperspace followed by the First Order and claim it’s impossible to have followed them.
The tracking plot point is not mentioned again.
(p.s. A similar tracker was placed on board the Falcon in the OG Star Wars to lead the Death Star to the rebel base on Yavin 4).
Last Jedi
That’s cheating, none of that movie made any sense whatsoever.
The plot point is that you cannot be tracked while in hyperspace. Something the first order was able to do so they could follow them to their destination instead of waiting until they are out of hyperspace to pursue them.Trackers are well established in the universe otherwise. They just only work outside of hyperspace.
Last Jedi was so angering that it killed all desire I had for watching rise of Skywalker, rise was the only star wars movie I’ve ever skipped, and still haven’t watched.
When instead of sacrificing ackbar, they kill him in the background and we’re supposed to care about the sacrifice of this random purple haired woman we’ve never ever met before and just shows up to die? Should have been ackbar or Leia or even wedge. And one thing I liked about TFA was the budding relationship between Rey and Finn, they had great chemistry. Then suddenly you separate them for the whole second movie, add a second love interest that’s awful and for some reason Rey likes Kylo? The fuck??
I feel really bad for Rise of Skywalker, it was really in an impossible position.
First, Last Jedi painted them into a fucking corner. It was like nobody told Johnson he was making the middle part of a trilogy.
Second, what little structure the trilogy had was 7 was about Solo, 8 was about Luke, and 9 would have been about Leia, but then Carrie Fisher up and died. :(
They had to really scramble on the 3rd one and losing the original writer/director didn’t help. Abrams had to come in after 8 shit the bed and Fisher died and tried to make the best of it…
In The Matrix, humans were used as batteries. The energy requirements needed by a body to sustain itself outweigh feeding it to extract energy. It would’ve been more efficient to burn the food directly instead of feeding it to people.
In the original script, they were used for processing power, but the C-suites made them change it because they feared spectators wouldn’t understand.
More like they changed it because the C-suite didn’t understand
They would have made poor processing units
Kinda like The Attic in Dollhouse
That’s really interesting but I think that suffers from a similar issue because I’d assume the processing power needed to run the matrix alone would be much greater than 1:1 per human.
They needed special kind of problem solving computation, that only human brains can do. Like generating text or something.
That’s why it’s called sifi… Is based loosely on the myth that humans only use 10% of their brains.
Sience, bitches!
Originally it was humans being used for their brains as processing units, but they thought thatd be too confusing for audiences so they went with batteries.
The twist ending of Now You See Me. Just stupid.
have you seen the sequel? barf
Nope. Nothing about the original made me want to see more of it.
In Memento
Spoiler about Clothing
He just puts on someone else’s expensive tailored suit, and it magically re-tailors itself to fit him perfectly.
That’s not how fabric or thread works. And it was deeply disorienting in a film that is otherwise careful to ensure that details like that matter and are reasonable.
What? The suit clearly does not fit him. The dead man is bigger than him, so it’s over sized. It’s even mentioned by multiple characters that it doesn’t quite fit.
The suit clearly does not fit him.
You and I remember this film very differently. I could swear it was excellently tailored suit in a number of really close up shots, early in the film. To the point where I thought the film was telling me
A lie that Memento seemed to be telling the audience
“This is absolutely his suit. Look how well it fits. Look how expensive it is. There’s no way that what is happening here is as simple as he took this off of a dead mobster.”
That suit had absolutely been tailored to his body. I understand that actors want to look great, and so I figure they let him wear a suit that fit for most of the film.
After the reveal
Memento Spoiler
that it’s not his suit,
they do have some lines about it not fitting, which felt very dishonest, after the earlier close-ups.
I would have been satisfied with a throw away line of dialogue about the suit not fitting before the reveal. I would have laughed at it (the suit clearly fits great in almost every scene), but it at least would have made the reveal cool instead of silly.
I would have also settled for (and I expected) a scene where he gets the suit trailored properly. But if I recall, there was no reasonable way to fit such a scene. Which I get. I’m not saying this film would have been better by addressing my pedantic complaint.
I’m not really mad that actors get to wear clothes that fit - it was just a stand out moment in an otherwise seamless (pun absolutely intended) film.
ever see cowboys vs aliens? Daniel Craig puts on a dead cowboys clothes and it fits like it was painted on lol
Lol. I noticed that too. But I expected less from Cowboys vs Aliens, so I wasn’t as confused by it.
kingsman movie, first one. he did some parkour in the beginning to get away front bullies, then never again.
lessons in chemistry. crazy contraption to feed the dog, then never again anything like it.
Those scenes are just there to establish that he’s capable, intelligent and talented in the ways the agency needs, so it’s plausible they would recruit him. Never-mind that they also establish the way he looks at the world and approaches problems which is then forgotten immediately.
The whole UFO scene in “Life of Brian”.
Maybe not for the plot (since it’s never referenced or brought up ever again in the film) but I think it does work thematically:
This would be the one real miraculous event in Brian’s life. If anything, you would expect that a man who fell from a tower, got picked up by a flaming ball, and returned safely to the ground would be hailed as a holy person by all witnesses.
Instead, nobody gives a fuck and in the next couple of scenes Brian becomes a holy figure through entirely unrelated and mundane means.
Yeah, my main problem is with the whole “never mentioned again” thing. As it is, you could as well just leave it out.
The scene in Pulp Fiction where Butch kills Vincent.
I am pretty fucking sure it’s actually a dream/imagined scenario by Butch, simply because when it ends, it cuts back to Butch in his car saying “that’s how you’re gonna beat ‘em, Butch. They’re just gonna keep underwstimatin’ ya” as he pulls up to the apartment. But then, instead of getting to go in and grab his watch as he imagined, he instead runs into Marcellus in the middle of the street, leading to that whole thing with the rapists.
He does end up getting his watch, but after he and Marcellus part ways. Vincent never actually dies.
Except for the fact that Vincent is only there without Jules because Jules quit. And Vincent was in the toilet because he was constipated because he’s a heroin addict.
If Jules hadn’t quit, Marcellus would not have been there. And Butch wouldn’t have known about any of those developments.
Although to back your theory up, Jules would’ve never left for doughnuts.
There’s also a the recurring plot that every time Vicent goes to the bathroom something bad happens.
The ending to Castle. A series that went on for eight seasons, where they were given several warnings about how the actors (who didn’t get along) might quit and challenge production, and then it happens, and instead of preparing a proper ending or deciding to recast Beckett, they had the characters win against the mafia, then randomly die because the writers are absolutely obsessed with cliffhangers, then randomly be brought back to life, then randomly turn it into a Wizard of Oz type of ending with kids we’ve never seen before, all because they stalled writing an ending until the very last moment. As much as people blame Stana Katic for leaving and throwing a wrench into things, you can’t say the writers didn’t have some kind of hand in how things turned out. Every possible thing that could’ve fixed the show was voluntarily ignored.
Worth it for this:
I like to think this is their way of confirming the two universes are canon and that the characters are subconsciously aware.
Huh, I might have to watch that again. It was one of my favorite seres, but back then I was stuck watching on the networks schedule, so I never finished it
Lost. All of it.
Abed:
It’s the first season of Lost on DVD.Pierce:
That’s the meaning of Christmas?Abed:
No. It’s a metaphor. It represents lack of pay-off.[…]
Abed:
I get it. The meaning of Christmas is the idea that Christmas has meaning. And it can be whatever we want. For me, it used to mean being with my mom. Now it means being with you guys. Thanks, Lost.Frustrated they never showed the polar bears backstory including his work as a scientist with a gambling problem and a fractured relationship with his son.
Walt?
Pawse…Breaking Bear?
Claudette:
He’s always bugging me about my house. Fifteen years ago, we agreed, that house belongs to me. Now the value of the house is going up and he’s seeing dollar signs. Everything goes wrong at once. Nobody wants to help me, and I’m dying.
Lisa:
You’re not dying, mom.
Claudette:
I got the results of the test back. I definitely have breast cancer.
Lisa:
Look, don’t worry about it. Everything will be fine. They’re curing lots of people every day.
Claudette:
I’m sure I’ll be alright.
Using The Room is cheating. There are only, like, two scenes in the entire movie that make sense according to the plot.
And also, I would have probably gone with the playing catch (with a football, I think) in tuxedos scene.
